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<blockquote data-quote="shoak1" data-source="post: 6689317" data-attributes="member: 54380">MM Balor dies in 1 round vs 6x L7 PCs when they have dailies to pop.&nbsp; Bye Bye...No beg.of Balor turn for aura to get a little spread damage to pad its stats.&nbsp; No need to even combat heal the guy the Balor almost killed.&nbsp;He comes in, he says &quot;boo,&quot; then gets pwn'd by a bunch of school kids. That's a problem.So much for the fearsome foe of lord of the Rings. Gandalf, you = suck.Give up the argument, apologists.&nbsp; Own it.&quot;But he should have teleported away!&quot;&nbsp; No survival for big demon, he doesn't get a 2nd round to teleport away. &quot;But he's got a cool whip and can use it to...&quot; Your missing the point bro.&quot;But he could crit!!!!&quot;&nbsp; You too.&nbsp; See line above.&quot;But each table is different&quot;&nbsp; So what?&nbsp; I still want a basic CR rating as a guide for each monster to save me some time prepping.&nbsp; I can then adjust it a bit based on my players.&quot;The books are just a guide, DM makes the rules&quot;&nbsp; Yeah, but bro, I didn't want to have to repair mistakes to basic core book stuff.&quot;You must be playing w/min-maxers&quot; Nope, don't need tricked up PCs for a repeat of this fiasco.&quot;Its cuz you're playing with....FEATS&quot; Nope, just takes 1 more round for average no-trick PCs to pwn Gandalf's Bane.&quot;Its still fun anyway, that's what's important!!!!&quot;&nbsp; Yeahhhhhh....you got me there buddy...(backing away slowly)....And Balor the Cupcake of Kaza-dum is not the only problem. The designers/development/playtesters just did a crap job of CR assignments, bottom line, sorry.&nbsp;&nbsp; While many CR ratings aren't far off, many MM creatures bear no semblance of reality to their stated Cr rating.&nbsp; I've played this game since the mid 70s (lets say approx.18,246.322 hrs play time), and while 5e overall rocks, their work on 5e MM blows chunks.....like it was done by some employee with a grudge that's smiling right now and saying &quot;Got u MODED!!!&quot; while doing the Safety Dance (pre-teens, you may need to look that one up in urban dictionary).&nbsp;&nbsp; S-S-S-S, A-A-A-A-A, F-F-F-F-F,E-E-E-E......</blockquote>

[QUOTE="shoak1, post: 6689317, member: 54380"] MM Balor dies in 1 round vs 6x L7 PCs when they have dailies to pop. Bye Bye...No beg.of Balor turn for aura to get a little spread damage to pad its stats. No need to even combat heal the guy the Balor almost killed. He comes in, he says "boo," then gets pwn'd by a bunch of school kids. That's a problem.So much for the fearsome foe of lord of the Rings. Gandalf, you = suck. Give up the argument, apologists. Own it. [I]"But he should have teleported away!"[/I] No survival for big demon, he doesn't get a 2nd round to teleport away. [I]"But he's got a cool whip and can use it to..." [/I] Your missing the point bro. [I]"But he could crit!!!!" [/I]You too. See line above. "[I]But each table is different[/I]" So what? I still want a basic CR rating as a guide for each monster to save me some time prepping. I can then adjust it a bit based on my players. "[I][I]The books are just a guide, DM makes the rules[/I][/I]" Yeah, but bro, I didn't want to have to repair mistakes to basic core book stuff. "[I]You must be playing w/min-maxers[/I]" Nope, don't need tricked up PCs for a repeat of this fiasco. "[I]Its cuz you're playing with....FEATS[/I]" Nope, just takes 1 more round for average no-trick PCs to pwn Gandalf's Bane. "[I]Its still fun anyway, that's what's important!!![/I]!" Yeahhhhhh....you got me there buddy...(backing away slowly).... And Balor the Cupcake of Kaza-dum is not the only problem. The designers/development/playtesters just did a crap job of CR assignments, bottom line, sorry. While many CR ratings aren't far off, many MM creatures bear no semblance of reality to their stated Cr rating. I've played this game since the mid 70s (lets say approx.18,246.322 hrs play time), and while 5e overall rocks, their work on 5e MM blows chunks.....like it was done by some employee with a grudge that's smiling right now and saying "Got u MODED!!!" while doing the Safety Dance (pre-teens, you may need to look that one up in urban dictionary). S-S-S-S, A-A-A-A-A, F-F-F-F-F,E-E-E-E...... [/QUOTE]

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