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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 6690170" data-attributes="member: 22779">So, let me understand this.&nbsp; Every one of the 7th level PC's has magic ranged weapons, no one plays a GWF or melee specialist (after all, &quot;tactically aware&quot; players will all have ranged attacks) so they don't have to engage the balor in melee?&nbsp;Really?&nbsp; How many magic weapons are you guys tossing out there?&nbsp; None of your fighter types ever go melee?&nbsp; A 7th level fighter type might have one magic weapon which is going to be focused on whatever specialization they took.&nbsp; That an entire group of 9 characters all have magic weapons and likely multiple magic weapons, is just bizarre to me.The Balor has an AC of 19.&nbsp; What are your 7th level PC's attacking at?&nbsp; It should be about +8-10.&nbsp; That means the PC's should be missing just a tad over 50% of the time.&nbsp; Oh, that's right, your cleric is dropping Bless.&nbsp; But, that's only good for 3 PC's, what about the other 6?&nbsp; And, so what if you make your paladin fly?&nbsp; Are you seriously contending that your paladin can solo the Balor?&nbsp; Balor flies over the wizard, nails him with the whip to draw him up 25 feet (DC 20 Strength save?&nbsp; Yeah, Mr. Wizard isn't making that - then again, nor are any of your dumpstat STR fighters who are all trying to use bows) nails him with the sword and then drops him for another chunk of damage.&nbsp; Good luck keeping concentration on that.&nbsp; And now Mr. Paladin goes thud into the ground too.&nbsp; Never minding that 40-45 points of damage should outright drop that 7th level wizard.&nbsp; But, yeah, have the balor take on the strongest fighters and stand toe to toe, ignoring any tactical decision points and treating him like a meat sack.&nbsp; Sure, it's the system that's failed.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 6690170, member: 22779"] So, let me understand this. Every one of the 7th level PC's has magic ranged weapons, no one plays a GWF or melee specialist (after all, "tactically aware" players will all have ranged attacks) so they don't have to engage the balor in melee? Really? How many magic weapons are you guys tossing out there? None of your fighter types ever go melee? A 7th level fighter type might have one magic weapon which is going to be focused on whatever specialization they took. That an entire group of 9 characters all have magic weapons and likely multiple magic weapons, is just bizarre to me. The Balor has an AC of 19. What are your 7th level PC's attacking at? It should be about +8-10. That means the PC's should be missing just a tad over 50% of the time. Oh, that's right, your cleric is dropping Bless. But, that's only good for 3 PC's, what about the other 6? And, so what if you make your paladin fly? Are you seriously contending that your paladin can solo the Balor? Balor flies over the wizard, nails him with the whip to draw him up 25 feet (DC 20 Strength save? Yeah, Mr. Wizard isn't making that - then again, nor are any of your dumpstat STR fighters who are all trying to use bows) nails him with the sword and then drops him for another chunk of damage. Good luck keeping concentration on that. And now Mr. Paladin goes thud into the ground too. Never minding that 40-45 points of damage should outright drop that 7th level wizard. But, yeah, have the balor take on the strongest fighters and stand toe to toe, ignoring any tactical decision points and treating him like a meat sack. Sure, it's the system that's failed. [/QUOTE]

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