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<blockquote data-quote="shoak1" data-source="post: 6692218" data-attributes="member: 54380"><p>Take a look again; my rough analysis of the CR 5-10 tables (as an example) shows 1.26 disposable pot/scroll and 0.6 non-disp. magic item/hoard CR 5-10; so 7 such hoards in 3 levels= 8.5 disposable and 4.2 non-disp.magic items per 3 levels for the party; <strong><u>so thats 2 pots/scrolls and 1 magic item per PC per 3 levels.</u></strong></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>Your right, my original example did not include a "normal" number of magic items - I should have given him more. In actuality, the L19 fighter should have had 6-7 magic items by time he had the meeting w/the balrog and at least 1 relevant potion - so lets give him a pot of fire resist or speed, +1 shield, +3 plate, a +1 polearm, +2 sword, ring of prot +1, belt of giant strength...fair enough?</p><p></p><p> </p><p>uhhh yeah it takes more than 4 level 7s, but i'm guessing 4 L9s would prob.pwn him.</p><p></p><p></p><p> Dude - PLAYERS can play smart too, just like DMs - and giving them lair stuff, tactical position, and allies adds to the CR so its not really germaine to a discussion re a monster's CR rating.</p><p></p><p> A lack of balance bothers me, and many other consumers of this game.... and yeah,there were far more balanced works - 3.5 and 4e had some problems but were MUCH better in THIS aspect - they had clear, reasonable CRs that MEANT something.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I don't need a <em>spark</em>, I need some <u>stats</u> I can reasonably rely on, so that I don't have to do EVERYTHING from scratch. </p><p></p><p>I really don't understand apologists lol</p><p>I say:<em>This rule is unbalanced!</em> Apologist response: <em>Make your own rule up, you can, it says so in the book!</em></p><p>I say: <em>This monsters stats are waaay off.</em> Apologist response: <em>Use it to spark your imagination!</em></p><p>I say: <em>This module was boring.</em> Apologist response: <em>Make your own! You can, it says so in the book</em>!</p><p></p><p>LOL I paid WOTC to make this game, they did sloppy work in this aspect of it, and I am calling them out for it - kapesh?</p><p>If I pay for dry cleaning and my shirt comes back with dirt on it, I'm gonna have something to say. I suppose our apologist here would say "<em>Oh well, they inspired me to do my own cleaning. Yay!</em>" Whatever. lol</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="shoak1, post: 6692218, member: 54380"] Take a look again; my rough analysis of the CR 5-10 tables (as an example) shows 1.26 disposable pot/scroll and 0.6 non-disp. magic item/hoard CR 5-10; so 7 such hoards in 3 levels= 8.5 disposable and 4.2 non-disp.magic items per 3 levels for the party; [B][U]so thats 2 pots/scrolls and 1 magic item per PC per 3 levels.[/U][/B] Your right, my original example did not include a "normal" number of magic items - I should have given him more. In actuality, the L19 fighter should have had 6-7 magic items by time he had the meeting w/the balrog and at least 1 relevant potion - so lets give him a pot of fire resist or speed, +1 shield, +3 plate, a +1 polearm, +2 sword, ring of prot +1, belt of giant strength...fair enough? uhhh yeah it takes more than 4 level 7s, but i'm guessing 4 L9s would prob.pwn him. Dude - PLAYERS can play smart too, just like DMs - and giving them lair stuff, tactical position, and allies adds to the CR so its not really germaine to a discussion re a monster's CR rating. A lack of balance bothers me, and many other consumers of this game.... and yeah,there were far more balanced works - 3.5 and 4e had some problems but were MUCH better in THIS aspect - they had clear, reasonable CRs that MEANT something. I don't need a [I]spark[/I], I need some [U]stats[/U] I can reasonably rely on, so that I don't have to do EVERYTHING from scratch. I really don't understand apologists lol I say:[I]This rule is unbalanced![/I] Apologist response: [I]Make your own rule up, you can, it says so in the book![/I] I say: [I]This monsters stats are waaay off.[/I] Apologist response: [I]Use it to spark your imagination![/I] I say: [I]This module was boring.[/I] Apologist response: [I]Make your own! You can, it says so in the book[/I]! LOL I paid WOTC to make this game, they did sloppy work in this aspect of it, and I am calling them out for it - kapesh? If I pay for dry cleaning and my shirt comes back with dirt on it, I'm gonna have something to say. I suppose our apologist here would say "[I]Oh well, they inspired me to do my own cleaning. Yay![/I]" Whatever. lol [/QUOTE]
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