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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Flamestrike" data-source="post: 6697894" data-attributes="member: 6788736">Yeah. Thats what I said. I the open and mountainous areas you get an engagement range of around 800m (just short of a kilometer). A 5.56mm rifle has an effective range of around 300m (with most rifle ranges having firing mounds at the 100, 200 and 300m marks) and a maximum effective of 600m (with the right optics, a lot of skill and a ton of luck).I specifically called out engagements in Afghanistan as being at ranges longer than the norm. When patrolling on the open fields or in the mountains (which is much of the country) long range (800 odd meters) engagements were quite common. It was either that, or urban contacts where the ranges were much shorter (from 30m to CQB range).Here in Perth Australia, as soon as you go out into the bush, its scrub all around. All exersizes I do here (and elsewhere in Australia) the majority of engagements begin well within 100m. Out in the desert, you can spot dust trails from vehicles from a few kilometers away, but as soon as there are trees and bushes around you in even low density, (and dead ground) your visual range drops.Yeah, the limit of our scanning range is about 100m ahead. That's the outer range of where we scan, as I said earlier. We focus (in detail) on things within about 25m of us.I'm not saying that people cant look beyond a few hundred meters or so,; its just that people are accustomed to scanning well within that range (even soldiers, seeing as that is where the majority of the things that can kill you are).Seriously. Go out in your local woods and see how often you find yourself scanning stuff a mile (1.6kms) or more away. Maybe at a lookout point or something. I assure you you'll spend 95 percent of your time casually scanning out to around 100m or maximum visual range (whichever is shorter), and examining things in detail within about 25m or so. Even on a laser straight freeway, a car a mile away is tiny.I'm telling you from personal experience mate, beginning engagements at a mile (1600m) is very unlikely to happen.All troops are 'stealthy' when patrolling. That's what the camouflage, face paint, hand signals etc is for you know!I'm more referring to a small patrol or small fire team of insurgents, both sides patrolling through standard scrub/ bush/ woods. Standard engagement and contact distances are well within 100m, with around 30m being the norm.Yeah this. 7 engagements at CQB (0-5m) range plus three engagements at 1000m gives an average of around 300m (which is not accurate). You're either capping a bloke across the other side of the street, or in a compound, or behind a clump of bushes between 0-30m from a creekline, or you're arcing MG fire from a Mag 58 at an enemy position 800 or so metres away.The majority happen at one or the other extreme (point blank or a klick away) , and Afghanistan was unusual in the respect that longer distance engagements were more common than in most other theaters (due to a combination of the terrain, and the nature of the insurgency).</blockquote>

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