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<blockquote data-quote="FormerlyHemlock" data-source="post: 6697905" data-attributes="member: 6787650"><p>Okay, there may not be as much difference between our positions as it seemed at first.</p><p></p><p>1.) Yes, camouflage/etc. is designed for stealth, and soldiers in real life deliberately try not to give away their positions. This includes use of terrain, which is presumably one reason why you go out in the bush to do your exercises instead of doing them on the freeways.</p><p></p><p>In 5E I would model this with multiple Stealth checks after the encounter starts, starting at maximum visual range for the terrain type, which could be anywhere from 30' to 1200' feet (dense forest vs. light forest on a hill, especially through the eyes of a flying familiar like an owl). Smaller groups will have a better chance of not failing the Stealth checks, and the groups' alertness will have an impact on whether or not they make active Perception rolls. Once someone fails a stealth check, they become aware of the enemy. If no one ever fails a Stealth check, the two groups might never realize anyone was there.</p><p></p><p>2.) A statement like "most of my encounters start at a range of 1 mile or more" is a a pretty clear indication that my players don't roam around in the bush very much, as well as the fact that I may be using the phrase "start... encounter" differently than someone who thinks it means "roll initiative and start making attack rolls". My players are often on roads or plains, and the enemies are frequently large bodies of mounted hobgoblin troops (akin to Mongols) moving along roads in civilized territory (which they are invading) or enormous flying rocs with wingspans of 200' or flying ships or dragons. They're not camouflage-clad soldiers creeping stealthily through the brush. That doesn't mean that you couldn't have a campaign where you <em>do</em> creep around in the bush, but if you're puzzled as to why 100' is not my norm, terrain and enemy size/disposition have an awful lot to do with it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="FormerlyHemlock, post: 6697905, member: 6787650"] Okay, there may not be as much difference between our positions as it seemed at first. 1.) Yes, camouflage/etc. is designed for stealth, and soldiers in real life deliberately try not to give away their positions. This includes use of terrain, which is presumably one reason why you go out in the bush to do your exercises instead of doing them on the freeways. In 5E I would model this with multiple Stealth checks after the encounter starts, starting at maximum visual range for the terrain type, which could be anywhere from 30' to 1200' feet (dense forest vs. light forest on a hill, especially through the eyes of a flying familiar like an owl). Smaller groups will have a better chance of not failing the Stealth checks, and the groups' alertness will have an impact on whether or not they make active Perception rolls. Once someone fails a stealth check, they become aware of the enemy. If no one ever fails a Stealth check, the two groups might never realize anyone was there. 2.) A statement like "most of my encounters start at a range of 1 mile or more" is a a pretty clear indication that my players don't roam around in the bush very much, as well as the fact that I may be using the phrase "start... encounter" differently than someone who thinks it means "roll initiative and start making attack rolls". My players are often on roads or plains, and the enemies are frequently large bodies of mounted hobgoblin troops (akin to Mongols) moving along roads in civilized territory (which they are invading) or enormous flying rocs with wingspans of 200' or flying ships or dragons. They're not camouflage-clad soldiers creeping stealthily through the brush. That doesn't mean that you couldn't have a campaign where you [I]do[/I] creep around in the bush, but if you're puzzled as to why 100' is not my norm, terrain and enemy size/disposition have an awful lot to do with it. [/QUOTE]
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