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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Flamestrike" data-source="post: 6698042" data-attributes="member: 6788736">I use a group stealth check v monster passive perception scores and vice versa (success gets a surprise round) and pluck a distance for the encounter to begin that seems reasonable. Usually not more than 100m or so, and often much shorter in range.Yeah fair enough mate. I wasn't trying to be a tool. Just letting you know from a practical position, that engagement distances of 1 mile (1,600m) are extreme, barring corner cases. In any sort of rural terrain, due to natural terrain features (hills, dead ground, rises etc) and scrub, buildings, bushes, trees etc youre rarely able to see that far (and human beings are rarely looking out that far when they can anyway).Your 'personal' sphere of perception around yourself - where you spend 99 percent of your time scanning - is generally very short range (out to 100m or so). You focus on things much closer than that (the car as you walk past it, the next tree you approach etc).Soldiers actually train in 'perception'. We learn to look for '5S and 1M' (irregular shape, shadow, silhouette, spacing, surface, and movement) and to look through cover (bushes, shadows etc) instead of at them, and the principle of scanning 'near, middle, far'. Your forward scout is looking at the ground directly in front of him (mines, ambush), while relying on the 'number 2' scout to look out at long and middle distances.Notwithstanding this, I've been in hundreds of contacts and engagements (both exercise and the real thing) and most of them happen at distances well within 100m.This is 'standard' Aussie scrub:[ATTACH]70204[/ATTACH]Afghanistan:[ATTACH]70205[/ATTACH]Vietnam:[ATTACH]70206[/ATTACH]The median might be more interesting, but it's not accurate! Agree mate, but go wandering on your friends local farm. In between creek lines, hedgerows, bushes, hills, and man made terrain, you wont be able to spot a human sized target at 1600m barring them being on the leading edge of a slope, and even then you're far more likely to miss them then spot them. You probably wont notice anyone until you bump into them at distances of less than 100m (when they enter your primary sensory zone).And PC's are looking intently. But so are soldiers on patrol. You spend a lot of time patrolling inside your own head (and navigating, communicating, planning, thinking etc).</blockquote>

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