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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Celtavian" data-source="post: 6624419" data-attributes="member: 5834">Pathfinder was hard to modify. The amount of material was overwhelming. If you were to write house rules, it would require a large document. I reached a point where I was tired of modifying over-powered combinations and just quit DMing. I don't want to play a game where players can mechanically defeat everything with some combination the designers didn't exercise any balance control over. Things like Come and Get Me and spells like Prediction of Failure were ridiculous. You had to design very specific encounters to defeat those abilities and use a level of metagame knowledge I didn't find enjoyable. If you tried to get rid of or limit any of these abilities, the players would argue with you. Then they would start bringing up other over-powered combinations that they  thought should be removed like the invisible, flying wizard that cannot be touched. The amount of time and rules proficiency required of a DM to make the game somewhat challenging at high level burned even me out. I ran one game to level 21, a few to 14 to 17. At the end I couldn't stand it any longer. 5Es ease of running trumped Pathfinder's vast array of options.I do like the creativity in Pathfinder. I still think their adventures are way better than the ones we've seen from WotC. Kingmaker will always be fondly remembered by our group. Right now we're running classic modules like Keep on the Borderlands and Against the Giants for 5E. These modules like Princes of the Apocalypse are pale in comparison to Pathfinder modules. I read them and find it strange when people claim they are "good" or on par. I used to read Pathfinder modules for entertainment, that's how strong the story material and extra features are in Pathfinder[ APs. I liked having a god or world entry, a small bestiary, an opening letter from the editor discussing design and inspiration, and a high quality adventure all in one book. That was worth your money. Even if you didn't love the adventure, you usually found something you could add to your campaign in a Pathfinder AP. If the Pathfinder system hadn't become so unwieldy and imbalanced, our group would still be playing. I'd love to have the simplicity of 5E, with the vast array of options of Pathfinder/3E, with the Pathfinder AP model. I can't put the time in designing adventures for Pathfinder any longer. I can't have players pulling some combination out that shouldn't even exist requiring me to modify it or allow them to run over everything I spent hours designing. Pathfinder was fine with the Core and most of the splats. It became too much after a while. I'm still not feeling 5E adventures. They are boring. I hope Rage of Demons is a much better offering.</blockquote>

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