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<blockquote data-quote="Morlock" data-source="post: 6625052" data-attributes="member: 6776981">Mistwell, here's why your concerns aren't relevant:1. You just muster an erg of gumption, and get over worrying about telling your players no (being told &quot;no&quot; builds character; so does telling someone &quot;no,&quot; for that matter). This way, people who want more stuff aren't subject to your rather ephemeral, easily-solved objection.2. For a sloppy company, maybe. I'm not asking Wizards to be sloppy. I want more stuff, with no drop in quality.3. I don't want Wizards to reference a ton of books in each of their books. And when they do, I figure they can just reprint the relevant parts from the referenced books as a free downloadable PDF (good), or in the text in question (not as good).4. See #1.This is, unfortunately, a DM error, not a player error. You have to put your foot down. Tell him if he doesn't like it, HE can do all the hard work of DMing, and you can sit back and play in his campaign and power-game and give him grief, and see how he likes it.Sorry if that seems too strong. I just don't take that nonsense. At all. I am a (very) benevolent dictator, but in the end, a dictator. Players want to argue? Show them the first rule of D&amp;D, it concerns DMs. I mean, you've said it yourself; your players pushed you into burning yourself out. You can be perfectly delicate about it: &quot;I don't DM that stuff, sorry. I don't argue about the topic, either, sorry.&quot;I assume by &quot;S&amp;D&quot; you mean Cease and Desist?&nbsp; Someone upthread made the best response to this. TL;DR version, game designers (with the apparent exception of the men at Frog God Games) are EXTREMELY RISK AVERSE (I'm being kind) and there's a chilling effect when they aren't specifically invited, as they were with OGL/D20/whateveryouwannacallit. For my part, I agree with FGG, walk like ya got a pair. But I'd like to buy some books from those Extremely Risk Averse guys, too.If I was too dense to get out of jury duty and I had a sweet job at Wizards, I'd find a way to get some (extremely hobbyish) work done along the way.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Morlock, post: 6625052, member: 6776981"] Mistwell, here's why your concerns aren't relevant: 1. You just muster an erg of gumption, and get over worrying about telling your players no (being told "no" builds character; so does telling someone "no," for that matter). This way, people who want more stuff aren't subject to your rather ephemeral, easily-solved objection. 2. For a sloppy company, maybe. I'm not asking Wizards to be sloppy. I want more stuff, with no drop in quality. 3. I don't want Wizards to reference a ton of books in each of their books. And when they do, I figure they can just reprint the relevant parts from the referenced books as a free downloadable PDF (good), or in the text in question (not as good). 4. See #1. This is, unfortunately, a DM error, not a player error. You have to put your foot down. Tell him if he doesn't like it, HE can do all the hard work of DMing, and you can sit back and play in his campaign and power-game and give him grief, and see how he likes it. Sorry if that seems too strong. I just don't take that nonsense. At all. I am a (very) benevolent dictator, but in the end, a dictator. Players want to argue? Show them the first rule of D&D, it concerns DMs. I mean, you've said it yourself; your players pushed you into burning yourself out. You can be perfectly delicate about it: "I don't DM that stuff, sorry. I don't argue about the topic, either, sorry." I assume by "S&D" you mean Cease and Desist? Someone upthread made the best response to this. TL;DR version, game designers (with the apparent exception of the men at Frog God Games) are EXTREMELY RISK AVERSE (I'm being kind) and there's a chilling effect when they aren't specifically invited, as they were with OGL/D20/whateveryouwannacallit. For my part, I agree with FGG, walk like ya got a pair. But I'd like to buy some books from those Extremely Risk Averse guys, too. If I was too dense to get out of jury duty and I had a sweet job at Wizards, I'd find a way to get some (extremely hobbyish) work done along the way. [/QUOTE]

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