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<blockquote data-quote="Desdichado" data-source="post: 6256305" data-attributes="member: 2205">Uh... no kidding.&nbsp; You started quoting my post right after I finished talking about Cthulhu in Lovecraft's writing.&nbsp; You helpfully included the part where I transitioned into talking about the notion of defeating the monsters in Lovecraft was not a singular occurance in &quot;The Call of Cthulhu.&quot;&nbsp; Although Cthulhu's actual appearance in the flesh is.Talk about selective quoting to completely miss the point.Cthulhu wasn't &quot;deity level.&quot;&nbsp; He was the High Priest of R'lyeh.&nbsp; The deities of the Lovecraftian Mythos, if they can even be called such, are Yog-Sothoth, Azathoth, Shub-Niggurath and Nyarlathotep.But even then, you can really only call them deities if you move out of Lovecraft's actual writings and start incorporating a lot more of Derleth's ideas.You are completely wrong, as I've demonstrated.&nbsp; Since Cthulhu only appeared in one story that Lovecraft wrote, and he was in fact killed in that story, this is the exact opposite of true.Yeah, yeah... he's not &quot;permanently&quot; dead.&nbsp; &quot;That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die.&quot; &quot;[...] but when the stars were wrong, They could not live. But although They no longer lived, They would never really die.&quot; And all that.Can he be defeated by a party of high level D&amp;D characters and still be Lovecraftian?&nbsp; Considering that in the only actual appearance he ever made in a Lovecraftian story he was defeated by what I'd translate into d20 as a single, low-level Expert level NPC with a boat, then I'd say absolutely.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Desdichado, post: 6256305, member: 2205"] Uh... no kidding. You started quoting my post [I]right after[/I] I finished talking about Cthulhu in Lovecraft's writing. You helpfully included the part where I transitioned into talking about the notion of defeating the monsters in Lovecraft was not a singular occurance in "The Call of Cthulhu." Although Cthulhu's actual appearance in the flesh is. Talk about selective quoting to completely miss the point. Cthulhu wasn't "deity level." He was the High Priest of R'lyeh. The deities of the Lovecraftian Mythos, if they can even be called such, are Yog-Sothoth, Azathoth, Shub-Niggurath and Nyarlathotep. But even then, you can really only call them deities if you move out of Lovecraft's actual writings and start incorporating a lot more of Derleth's ideas. You are completely wrong, as I've demonstrated. Since Cthulhu only appeared in one story that Lovecraft wrote, and he was in fact killed in that story, this is the exact opposite of true. Yeah, yeah... he's not "permanently" dead. "That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die." "[...] but when the stars were wrong, They could not live. But although They no longer lived, They would never really die." And all that. Can he be defeated by a party of high level D&D characters and still be Lovecraftian? Considering that in the only actual appearance he ever made in a Lovecraftian story he was defeated by what I'd translate into d20 as a single, low-level Expert level NPC with a boat, then I'd say absolutely. [/QUOTE]

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