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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Echohawk" data-source="post: 3981259" data-attributes="member: 9849">I have absolutely no experience whatsoever eyeballing CRs, so I'm a bit reluctant to jump in. That said, that's a very potent poison -- essentially a save or die effect usable every round, with the requirement for a successful melee attack lessening the potency a little. And the secondary damage is also pretty rough, although at 13/14th level I'd expect a PC party to have some way of dealing with the Con damage quickly enough for it to not be a complete disaster.Still now that I look at a vanilla wyvern (CR6), I see it has 2d6 Con as both a primary and secondary damage (albeit with a much lower melee attack), so maybe the wyvern drake's poison isn't that out of line for CR 13-14.Also, I should note that I had an extremely snake-infested day today. At lunch we had to chase a Mozambican spitting cobra out of the courtyard. Shortly afterwards my partner encountered a 7ft+ black mamba in the workshop, and only minutes later we had to calm down a plumber who discovered another (much smaller) mamba sitting in a tree within an arm's reach of his head.So perhaps I'm unduly sensitive when it comes to poisonous things right now <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></blockquote>