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<blockquote data-quote="The Yellow Pill" data-source="post: 6716366" data-attributes="member: 6701406">First of all, I'm not on anyone's team, so &quot;Republicans do it, too&quot; is a non sequitur. It's even more so since you're talking about party affiliation instead of political philosophy when the parties have criss-crossed on that several times in the country's history. In my lifetime I have watched MANY people in the Great Lakes region where I grew up doggedly stay Democrat because organized labor was their primary voting issue, only to finally go Republican when even that wasn't enough, or when they came to believe that organized labor had turned on them completely. My position is a lot more moderate than the suggestion that any insistence on liberal policies is rooted in elitism. What I'm suggesting is that, like all political movements, it's a tapestry of threads and one of those threads is a long running, consistent resentment of the working class. You're saying that the original motivations of some of the movement's founders shouldn't automatically apply have never gone away, but I see the exact same arguments being made when it comes to the &quot;educated&quot; vs. the &quot;uneducated&quot;. If you follow morons like Bob Chipman and Jonathan McIntosh you see this ongoing frustration that people who just don't have the right credentials get any say at all in all of this. They can't possibly understand. In fact, the argument has been made that the reason liberals tend to hate capitalism so much is precisely because uneducated but hard working folks can gain equal wealth and prestige. Without a PhD? Without even a high school diploma? What kind of world are we living in?Also, don't confuse concern with the poor for concern for the working class. Democrats literally use the term &quot;middle class&quot; something like 13 times per floor speech (someone counted) but show absolute contempt for everyone whose clock reads 10:45AM right now. As in Rome you had Patricians, Plebs, and slaves; in the US you have the wealthy, the middle class, and the impoverished. Progressives are all about that last group, because they know their place and never forget how much they need those well educated folks looking out for them.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="The Yellow Pill, post: 6716366, member: 6701406"] First of all, I'm not on anyone's team, so "Republicans do it, too" is a non sequitur. It's even more so since you're talking about party affiliation instead of political philosophy when the parties have criss-crossed on that several times in the country's history. In my lifetime I have watched MANY people in the Great Lakes region where I grew up doggedly stay Democrat because organized labor was their primary voting issue, only to finally go Republican when even that wasn't enough, or when they came to believe that organized labor had turned on them completely. My position is a lot more moderate than the suggestion that any insistence on liberal policies is rooted in elitism. What I'm suggesting is that, like all political movements, it's a tapestry of threads and one of those threads is a long running, consistent resentment of the working class. You're saying that the original motivations of some of the movement's founders shouldn't automatically apply have never gone away, but I see the exact same arguments being made when it comes to the "educated" vs. the "uneducated". If you follow morons like Bob Chipman and Jonathan McIntosh you see this ongoing frustration that people who just don't have the right credentials get any say at all in all of this. They can't possibly understand. In fact, the argument has been made that the reason liberals tend to hate capitalism so much is precisely because uneducated but hard working folks can gain equal wealth and prestige. Without a PhD? Without even a high school diploma? What kind of world are we living in? Also, don't confuse concern with the poor for concern for the working class. Democrats literally use the term "middle class" something like 13 times per floor speech (someone counted) but show absolute contempt for everyone whose clock reads 10:45AM right now. As in Rome you had Patricians, Plebs, and slaves; in the US you have the wealthy, the middle class, and the impoverished. Progressives are all about that last group, because they know their place and never forget how much they need those well educated folks looking out for them. [/QUOTE]

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