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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Guest&nbsp; 85555" data-source="post: 6716399">No, I am saying you have to demonstrate causality and you haven't done that. Nor have you backed up your initial assertion that it was this hugely prevalent feature of the early progressive movement (it may well have been, but that is at least step on in your argument). You are just asserting that its the case, because you think a handful of feminists look down on working class men. Lots of people at that time looked down on working class men. Either way though, I think it would be a mistake to derail the thread by debating this point. You obviously have a belief about this, and I am unlikely to dissuade you. I believe other wise. I think most people have a lot more sincerity in their motives (on both the left and the right) than your last paragraph suggests. What I can say is my liberalism does not stem from wanting people to know their place or viewing myself as some kind of paternal class (I am not upper or even middle class). I believe in social programs because I know a lot of people who are helped by them and who need them to get by. I also believe, due to the religious tradition I was raised in, that we have an obligation to take care of the least amongst us. Living in a poor city in Mass, and knowing liberals from wealthier communities, I can say I've encountered snobbery on the left, but I don't think it originates from the motives or lineage you describe in your post. However the vast majority of liberals I know (even those living in nice neighborhoods) are not snobs or classists.</blockquote>

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