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<blockquote data-quote="aramis erak" data-source="post: 8796495" data-attributes="member: 6779310"><p>My media influences are many and varied; there are notable gaps. Many things have had ;ittle impact, too - those are also not included</p><p>Note that I separate Disney franchises from other movies, stage, and literary works.</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Fantasy: by franchise, unlike the rest...<ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Watched Rankin Bass Tolkien adaptations and read Hobbit and LOTR. Tried and hated Silmarillion. <br /> Have since watched the PJ versions... Meh. Not a fan. </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Earthsea: all the novels (Tehanu was a slog), the Anime (Not good), the SyFy miniseries (which is a good set of flims, but misses/mangles all the major themes)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Read a couple stormbringer novels. Played both the AH boardgame and the Chaosium RPG. Games better than novels.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Watched the Conan films; Much later read the original novels. Somewhere in between read a few of the comics and one each of Carter and one other secondary author - the tones are very different in each group. I disliked the Lin Carter conan novel immensely. Had GURPS:Conan - was stolen during a move. GURPS not a good fit. Have the 2d20, but haven't run it.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Monty Python - I've seen the movies and some of the series... Life of Brian and Holy Grail have influenced my fantasy gaming strongly. Meaning of Life somewhat less so, but </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Kipling's Jungle Book</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Disney's Jungle Book </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><em><u>The Once & Future King</u></em> TH White - This is very much a negative assocation for me. How not to do Fantasy.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><em><u>D&D</u></em> - almost all editions of D&D Brand RPGs, a few novels, the Cartoon. Has affected other, non-D&D, game choices</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Star Wars (As much effect upon non-D&D fantasy campaigns as D&D has)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">L5R - I don't have 4th, but have the others... love the setting, <br /> hate the recent D&D 5E adaptation... totally clear the authors are not well versed in the lore of the setting.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Negative association: <em><u>Mountains of Madness</u></em> - HP Lovecraft (I hated the writing style by page 50), <em><u>A Game of Thrones</u></em> GRRM (too many characters to follow). </li> </ol></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Various mythology stories collections - <ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Greek, Roman - presented as stories and as histories of their development, since age 5.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Egyptian - Translations of the various pre-Christian funerary and mythological texts recovered</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Christian - lives of the saints, child-aimed representations of OT stories, the complete text of the Catholic canon bible, both heard and read, The Orthodox bible in English & the non-Catholic inclusions in Russian. Numerous church-composted prayers and hymns - Roman and Byzantine traditions, in English, Latin, Church Slavonic, Ukrainian.</li> </ol></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Arthuriana<ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Disney's <em><u>Sword in the Stone</u></em> is my first memorable Arthurian.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Stage: <em><u>Camelot</u></em> (musical), <em><u>the Princess and the Pea</u></em>¹, <em><u>Der Ring des Nibelungen</u></em> (The Ring Cycle by Wagner)², <em><u>Tristan & Iseult</u></em></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Movies: <em><u>Camelot </u></em>(L&L - adaptation of the stage musical), <em><u>Excalibur</u></em>, <em><u>Tristan & Isolde</u></em> (2006 - widely panned, but actually quite authentic period piece - divorced of its arthurian adaptation tho'), <em><u>First Knight</u></em>, </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">literature: <em><u>Le Morte d'Artur</u></em> (Earth 20th c Engl. Tr.), White's <em><u>Once and Future King</u></em> (freaking bizarrely anachronistic), The Mabinogion (Engl. Tr.)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Games: <em><u>King Arthur Pendragon</u></em> (G. Stafford), <em><u>I, Mordred</u></em> (Avalanche Press), Shadows over Camelot (Days of Wonder).</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Notably Absent, despite availability: Prince Valiant, Mists of Avalon, Lawhead's series (student book reports scared me off)</li> </ol></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Robinalia<ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Disney's <em><u>Robin Hood</u></em> (1973 animated anthropomorphics) and related books</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Movies: <em><u>Robin Hood: Men in Tights</u></em>, <em><u>Robin & Marion</u></em>, Costner's <em><u>Robin Hood, Prince of Thieves</u></em>, half a dozen of the B&W era Theatrical English films</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Non-fiction books - 4 different ones, titles unremembered, discussing the histories of the legend. </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Non-fiction TV - several (4 or 5) different documentaries on the legend</li> </ol></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Space Opera<ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"> Childhood TV, in rough order: ST:TAS, Space Academy, Jason of Star Command, ST:TOS (reruns), old BSG, IU, <em><u>Buck Rogers</u></em> (1979), Robotech</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Movies: <em><u>The Black Hole</u></em>, <em><u>Manhunter: Adventures in the Forbidden Zone</u></em>, <em><u>Buck Rogers</u></em> serials, <em><u>Flash Gordon</u></em> serials & 1980's Movie, <em><u>Enemy Mine</u></em>, <em><u>The Last Starfighter</u></em>, <em><u>Battle Beyond the Stars</u></em></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Novels: Cole & Bunch's <em><u>Sten </u></em>series, Bujold's Vorkosiverse, Anne McCaffrey's whole corpus (except <em><u>Acorna</u></em> - never found a copy), <em><u>Armageddon 2419</u></em> (the original Buck Rogers novel), <em><u>The Trigan Empire</u></em> (graphic novel), Gundam Trillogy, NIven's RIngworld, Niven & Pournelle's Codominion series, Man-Kzin Wars Anthologies, John Ringo's Bubble series</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Games: <em><u>Asimov's Star Traders</u></em> (SJG), All the Traveller ones, Slag!, FGU <em><u>Space Opera</u></em>, <em><u>Starships & Spacemen</u></em>, <em><u>Star Fleet Battles</u></em>/<em><u>Prime Directive 1E</u></em>, <em><u>Space 1889</u></em>, <em><u>Mekton</u></em> series, <em><u>Mechanoids</u></em> Series</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">TV (excluding franchises): <em><u>Space Precinct</u></em> (Gerry Anderson), <em><u>Space:1999⁴</u></em>, </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Franchises: Star Wars, Star Trek, Babylon 5. Starship Troopers, Old BSG, Robotech, Traveller, Stargate, Battletech, WH40K, Barsoom, Firefly, Starfire, Albedo, ALIEN, Dune⁶</li> </ol></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Science Fiction (excluding Space Opera) - note the heavy Cyberpunk influences<ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"> Franchises: 2001 series, <em><u>Planet of the Apes</u></em>, <em><u>Six-million Dollar Man</u></em> (toys and shows), <em><u>Blade Runner</u></em>, </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Movies: <em><u>A Clockwork Orange</u></em>, <em><u>Judge Dredd</u></em> (both Stallone and Urban versipns), <em><u>The Martian</u></em>, <em><u>The Time Machine</u></em>, Disney's <em><u>20000 Leagues Under the Sea</u></em>, <em><u>Megaforce</u></em>, <em><u>Robocop</u></em> (1-3), <em><u>Wargames</u></em>, <em><u>The Terminator</u></em>, <em><u>Tron</u></em>, <em><u>Total Recall</u></em></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Novels: <em><u>Hardwired</u></em> (Walter Jon Williams), <em><u>Neuromancer</u> </em>(William Gibson), <em><u>Heads</u></em>, <em><u>A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court</u></em> (Mark Twain), <em><u>Armor</u></em> (J. Steakley), <em><u>Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep</u></em> (PK Dick), <em><u>Mirrorshades: The Cyberpunk Anthology</u></em>,</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">TV: <em><u>Twilight Zone</u></em>. <em><u>Hawaii Five-O</u></em>³, <em><u>Person of Interest</u></em>. <em><u>CSI</u></em>⁵<em>, <u><em><u>CSI:NY</u></em></u></em>, <em><u><em><u><em><u>CSI:M,</u></em></u></em></u> <u><em><u><em><u><em><u>CSILV</u></em></u></em></u></em></u>, </em><u>Dinotopia</u><em>, </em><u><em>Almost Human</em></u> (US, with K. Urban)<em>.</em></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Games: <em><u>Twighlight: 2000</u></em>(Editions 1,2,4), <em><u>Morrow Project</u></em>, <em><u>Cyberpunk</u></em> 2013 & 2020, <em><u>Shadowrun</u></em> 1E, <em><u>Car Wars</u></em> (pre-5). GW's <em><u>Judge Dredd</u></em>,</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Notably negative: <em><u>Dr Who</u></em> reruns (rainbow scarf doctor era).</li> </ol></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Super Heroes<ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">TV: sat morning cartoons, DC and Marvel, 1973 to about 1988. DCCU Arrow, FLash, and Legends of Tomorrow. Live Action Wonder Woman, <em><u>Misfits</u></em> (BBC), <em><u>Six-million Dollar Man</u></em>, 1960's <em><u>Batman</u></em> (for my, the definitive Bat), TMNT Cartoons</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Comics: late 1970's Green Arrow, Watchmen, X-Men, Spider Man</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Movies: 1970's to 2018 MCU, the DC <em><u>Superman</u> </em>and <em><u>Batman</u></em> films in that same time frame. <em><u>Watchmen</u></em>, TMNT Movies</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Literature: <em><u>Wild Cards</u></em> anthologies to vol 5, </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Games: <em><u>Champions</u></em>, MSH/AMSH, <em><u>Marvel Heroic Roleplaying</u></em>, <em><u>Sentinel Comics</u></em>, TMNT RPG (Palladium)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Negative associations: <em><u>Champions New Millenium</u></em>. <em><u>GURPS: Wild Cards</u></em>, <em><u>GURPS: Supers</u></em>.</li> </ol></li> </ul><p>Again, note that a lot of sources are not listed as they weren't impactful upon my mindset and gaming, and I'm leaving out the majority of historical documentary influences - mostly because there are too many of them. (My undergrad was in History, with a focus on Russia & Russian Alaska - so there are a HUGE raft of influences just there - and I've been in the SCA most of my life, so continued historical reading & Documentary watching has been a bit of a hobby/obsession.) I've also only listed the genres in which I know I enjoy running or playing RPGs.</p><p></p><p>I hadn't realized just how focused upon Space Opera and Cyberpunk my tastes run.</p><p></p><p>Footnotes</p><ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">PatP isn't properly Arthurian, but it's an influence in that sphere</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">ibid.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Seriously. The original is filled with supertech. Some of which was predictive,, some still doesn't exist.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">While there is a franchise, I only have impacts from 1 toy (3" figure scale Eagle) and the 1st half of the first season, not the books nor other swag.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Like H5O, the tech onscreen is ahead of reality throughout the franchise. Less so than H5O, mostly it's in development, but CSI:M pushes further than the others.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Worth noting: I entered the Dune franchise via the AH boardgame, then read the first 80 pages of the novel, then saw the DeLaurentis/Lynch movie, then the other FH novels, then, later, the prequels and sequels. I like both movies, but not so much the SyFy miniseries, tho' I have watched it multiple times... I sold off my LUG DUNE RPG, and regret doing so... I think the 2d20 is superior, but still prefer the setting presentation of the LUG one.</li> </ol></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="aramis erak, post: 8796495, member: 6779310"] My media influences are many and varied; there are notable gaps. Many things have had ;ittle impact, too - those are also not included Note that I separate Disney franchises from other movies, stage, and literary works. [LIST] [*]Fantasy: by franchise, unlike the rest... [LIST=1] [*]Watched Rankin Bass Tolkien adaptations and read Hobbit and LOTR. Tried and hated Silmarillion. Have since watched the PJ versions... Meh. Not a fan. [*]Earthsea: all the novels (Tehanu was a slog), the Anime (Not good), the SyFy miniseries (which is a good set of flims, but misses/mangles all the major themes) [*]Read a couple stormbringer novels. Played both the AH boardgame and the Chaosium RPG. Games better than novels. [*]Watched the Conan films; Much later read the original novels. Somewhere in between read a few of the comics and one each of Carter and one other secondary author - the tones are very different in each group. I disliked the Lin Carter conan novel immensely. Had GURPS:Conan - was stolen during a move. GURPS not a good fit. Have the 2d20, but haven't run it. [*]Monty Python - I've seen the movies and some of the series... Life of Brian and Holy Grail have influenced my fantasy gaming strongly. Meaning of Life somewhat less so, but [*]Kipling's Jungle Book [*]Disney's Jungle Book [*][I][U]The Once & Future King[/U][/I] TH White - This is very much a negative assocation for me. How not to do Fantasy. [*][I][U]D&D[/U][/I] - almost all editions of D&D Brand RPGs, a few novels, the Cartoon. Has affected other, non-D&D, game choices [*]Star Wars (As much effect upon non-D&D fantasy campaigns as D&D has) [*]L5R - I don't have 4th, but have the others... love the setting, hate the recent D&D 5E adaptation... totally clear the authors are not well versed in the lore of the setting. [*]Negative association: [I][U]Mountains of Madness[/U][/I] - HP Lovecraft (I hated the writing style by page 50), [I][U]A Game of Thrones[/U][/I] GRRM (too many characters to follow). [/LIST] [*]Various mythology stories collections - [LIST=1] [*]Greek, Roman - presented as stories and as histories of their development, since age 5. [*]Egyptian - Translations of the various pre-Christian funerary and mythological texts recovered [*]Christian - lives of the saints, child-aimed representations of OT stories, the complete text of the Catholic canon bible, both heard and read, The Orthodox bible in English & the non-Catholic inclusions in Russian. Numerous church-composted prayers and hymns - Roman and Byzantine traditions, in English, Latin, Church Slavonic, Ukrainian. [/LIST] [*]Arthuriana [LIST=1] [*]Disney's [I][U]Sword in the Stone[/U][/I] is my first memorable Arthurian. [*]Stage: [I][U]Camelot[/U][/I] (musical), [I][U]the Princess and the Pea[/U][/I]¹, [I][U]Der Ring des Nibelungen[/U][/I] (The Ring Cycle by Wagner)², [I][U]Tristan & Iseult[/U][/I] [*]Movies: [I][U]Camelot [/U][/I](L&L - adaptation of the stage musical), [I][U]Excalibur[/U][/I], [I][U]Tristan & Isolde[/U][/I] (2006 - widely panned, but actually quite authentic period piece - divorced of its arthurian adaptation tho'), [I][U]First Knight[/U][/I], [*]literature: [I][U]Le Morte d'Artur[/U][/I] (Earth 20th c Engl. Tr.), White's [I][U]Once and Future King[/U][/I] (freaking bizarrely anachronistic), The Mabinogion (Engl. Tr.) [*]Games: [I][U]King Arthur Pendragon[/U][/I] (G. Stafford), [I][U]I, Mordred[/U][/I] (Avalanche Press), Shadows over Camelot (Days of Wonder). [*]Notably Absent, despite availability: Prince Valiant, Mists of Avalon, Lawhead's series (student book reports scared me off) [/LIST] [*]Robinalia [LIST=1] [*]Disney's [I][U]Robin Hood[/U][/I] (1973 animated anthropomorphics) and related books [*]Movies: [I][U]Robin Hood: Men in Tights[/U][/I], [I][U]Robin & Marion[/U][/I], Costner's [I][U]Robin Hood, Prince of Thieves[/U][/I], half a dozen of the B&W era Theatrical English films [*]Non-fiction books - 4 different ones, titles unremembered, discussing the histories of the legend. [*]Non-fiction TV - several (4 or 5) different documentaries on the legend [/LIST] [*]Space Opera [LIST=1] [*] Childhood TV, in rough order: ST:TAS, Space Academy, Jason of Star Command, ST:TOS (reruns), old BSG, IU, [I][U]Buck Rogers[/U][/I] (1979), Robotech [*]Movies: [I][U]The Black Hole[/U][/I], [I][U]Manhunter: Adventures in the Forbidden Zone[/U][/I], [I][U]Buck Rogers[/U][/I] serials, [I][U]Flash Gordon[/U][/I] serials & 1980's Movie, [I][U]Enemy Mine[/U][/I], [I][U]The Last Starfighter[/U][/I], [I][U]Battle Beyond the Stars[/U][/I] [*]Novels: Cole & Bunch's [I][U]Sten [/U][/I]series, Bujold's Vorkosiverse, Anne McCaffrey's whole corpus (except [I][U]Acorna[/U][/I] - never found a copy), [I][U]Armageddon 2419[/U][/I] (the original Buck Rogers novel), [I][U]The Trigan Empire[/U][/I] (graphic novel), Gundam Trillogy, NIven's RIngworld, Niven & Pournelle's Codominion series, Man-Kzin Wars Anthologies, John Ringo's Bubble series [*]Games: [I][U]Asimov's Star Traders[/U][/I] (SJG), All the Traveller ones, Slag!, FGU [I][U]Space Opera[/U][/I], [I][U]Starships & Spacemen[/U][/I], [I][U]Star Fleet Battles[/U][/I]/[I][U]Prime Directive 1E[/U][/I], [I][U]Space 1889[/U][/I], [I][U]Mekton[/U][/I] series, [I][U]Mechanoids[/U][/I] Series [*]TV (excluding franchises): [I][U]Space Precinct[/U][/I] (Gerry Anderson), [I][U]Space:1999⁴[/U][/I], [*]Franchises: Star Wars, Star Trek, Babylon 5. Starship Troopers, Old BSG, Robotech, Traveller, Stargate, Battletech, WH40K, Barsoom, Firefly, Starfire, Albedo, ALIEN, Dune⁶ [/LIST] [*]Science Fiction (excluding Space Opera) - note the heavy Cyberpunk influences [LIST=1] [*] Franchises: 2001 series, [I][U]Planet of the Apes[/U][/I], [I][U]Six-million Dollar Man[/U][/I] (toys and shows), [I][U]Blade Runner[/U][/I], [*]Movies: [I][U]A Clockwork Orange[/U][/I], [I][U]Judge Dredd[/U][/I] (both Stallone and Urban versipns), [I][U]The Martian[/U][/I], [I][U]The Time Machine[/U][/I], Disney's [I][U]20000 Leagues Under the Sea[/U][/I], [I][U]Megaforce[/U][/I], [I][U]Robocop[/U][/I] (1-3), [I][U]Wargames[/U][/I], [I][U]The Terminator[/U][/I], [I][U]Tron[/U][/I], [I][U]Total Recall[/U][/I] [*]Novels: [I][U]Hardwired[/U][/I] (Walter Jon Williams), [I][U]Neuromancer[/U] [/I](William Gibson), [I][U]Heads[/U][/I], [I][U]A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court[/U][/I] (Mark Twain), [I][U]Armor[/U][/I] (J. Steakley), [I][U]Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep[/U][/I] (PK Dick), [I][U]Mirrorshades: The Cyberpunk Anthology[/U][/I], [*]TV: [I][U]Twilight Zone[/U][/I]. [I][U]Hawaii Five-O[/U][/I]³, [I][U]Person of Interest[/U][/I]. [I][U]CSI[/U][/I]⁵[I], [U][I][U]CSI:NY[/U][/I][/U][/I], [I][U][I][U][I][U]CSI:M,[/U][/I][/U][/I][/U] [U][I][U][I][U][I][U]CSILV[/U][/I][/U][/I][/U][/I][/U], [/I][U]Dinotopia[/U][I], [/I][U][I]Almost Human[/I][/U] (US, with K. Urban)[I].[/I] [*]Games: [I][U]Twighlight: 2000[/U][/I](Editions 1,2,4), [I][U]Morrow Project[/U][/I], [I][U]Cyberpunk[/U][/I] 2013 & 2020, [I][U]Shadowrun[/U][/I] 1E, [I][U]Car Wars[/U][/I] (pre-5). GW's [I][U]Judge Dredd[/U][/I], [*]Notably negative: [I][U]Dr Who[/U][/I] reruns (rainbow scarf doctor era). [/LIST] [*]Super Heroes [LIST=1] [*]TV: sat morning cartoons, DC and Marvel, 1973 to about 1988. DCCU Arrow, FLash, and Legends of Tomorrow. Live Action Wonder Woman, [I][U]Misfits[/U][/I] (BBC), [I][U]Six-million Dollar Man[/U][/I], 1960's [I][U]Batman[/U][/I] (for my, the definitive Bat), TMNT Cartoons [*]Comics: late 1970's Green Arrow, Watchmen, X-Men, Spider Man [*]Movies: 1970's to 2018 MCU, the DC [I][U]Superman[/U] [/I]and [I][U]Batman[/U][/I] films in that same time frame. [I][U]Watchmen[/U][/I], TMNT Movies [*]Literature: [I][U]Wild Cards[/U][/I] anthologies to vol 5, [*]Games: [I][U]Champions[/U][/I], MSH/AMSH, [I][U]Marvel Heroic Roleplaying[/U][/I], [I][U]Sentinel Comics[/U][/I], TMNT RPG (Palladium) [*]Negative associations: [I][U]Champions New Millenium[/U][/I]. [I][U]GURPS: Wild Cards[/U][/I], [I][U]GURPS: Supers[/U][/I]. [/LIST] [/LIST] Again, note that a lot of sources are not listed as they weren't impactful upon my mindset and gaming, and I'm leaving out the majority of historical documentary influences - mostly because there are too many of them. (My undergrad was in History, with a focus on Russia & Russian Alaska - so there are a HUGE raft of influences just there - and I've been in the SCA most of my life, so continued historical reading & Documentary watching has been a bit of a hobby/obsession.) I've also only listed the genres in which I know I enjoy running or playing RPGs. I hadn't realized just how focused upon Space Opera and Cyberpunk my tastes run. Footnotes [LIST=1] [*]PatP isn't properly Arthurian, but it's an influence in that sphere [*]ibid. [*]Seriously. The original is filled with supertech. Some of which was predictive,, some still doesn't exist. [*]While there is a franchise, I only have impacts from 1 toy (3" figure scale Eagle) and the 1st half of the first season, not the books nor other swag. [*]Like H5O, the tech onscreen is ahead of reality throughout the franchise. Less so than H5O, mostly it's in development, but CSI:M pushes further than the others. [*]Worth noting: I entered the Dune franchise via the AH boardgame, then read the first 80 pages of the novel, then saw the DeLaurentis/Lynch movie, then the other FH novels, then, later, the prequels and sequels. I like both movies, but not so much the SyFy miniseries, tho' I have watched it multiple times... I sold off my LUG DUNE RPG, and regret doing so... I think the 2d20 is superior, but still prefer the setting presentation of the LUG one. [/LIST] [/QUOTE]
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