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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Cheiromancer" data-source="post: 1265226" data-attributes="member: 141">I can't think of any other feat that works like that.  I would hate to have to try to enter it into a program like DM Genie.How about this:Cumbrous (general)Pre-req's: noneBenefits: noneCumbrous then serves as a pre-requisite for the following feats:Cumbrous Dodge: as in Savage Species plus benefits of DodgeCumbrous Fortitude:as in Savage Species and +2 to fortitude savesCumbrous Reflexes: as in Savage Species and +2 to reflex savesCumbrous Will:as in Savage Species and +2 to will saves.---It works out almost the same (8 feats reduced to 5), but Cumbrous works more like other feats, and is easier to program.To make it work out _exactly_ the same, you need to make the following additions:Add "this bonus does not stack with that provided by Dodge/Great Fortitude/ Lightning Reflexes/ Iron Will" to Cumbrous Dodge/Fortitude/Reflexes/Will.Add something like "Cumbrous X counts as X for the purpose of meeting pre-requisites" to each of the feats.Add Dex 13 to the pre-requisites for Cumbrous Dodge.----Or not.  Having a way to give Dodge to creatures whose Dex is too low, or to give a total of +4 to will saves to something with a low will... could be a good idea.</blockquote>