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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Gold Roger" data-source="post: 2627766" data-attributes="member: 33904">I've played and play with people that cheat. They're good friend of mine and not power players, nor do they want to "win the game". Two players cheat in that they don't write up their memorized spells, basically using all spellcasters as spontanous casters, rarely calling better rolls than they did roll if I don't look and not correcting me if I get some situations wrong in their favor. I mostly gloss over the non corrections, after all the game keeps flowing this way and if it's major there are other players after all. I look at almost every roll myself, so that's no major concern, though it would be great if I could trust my players more. I gloss over the non memorizing thing mostly. I avoid having these players memorizing spellcaster in the future and if they have, I ask to check their memorization lists once in a while. It's anoying, I find it injuring to the DM, because it expresses a disrespectfull view of "do what you can get away with because he doesn't get it" and a lack of faith in his DMing skill, because someone that cheats, is in my view only justified if he thinks it is needed to avoid a TPK. Another player, I played for a long time with, is even worse. She fudges die rolls regulary and, worst, peeks at the DM's notes whenever she can! Her argumentation is that it's a cooperative game, so you can't cheat anyone out of the win and thus it's no real cheating anyway, at the same time she has some strange kind of players vs DM mentallity. In the one shot, the discussion came up in, she was backed up by two other casual gamers and I let it slipp, because I didn't want the game to be disrupted. Appart from thinking of it as an injury to the DM, I think it's also egoistic (I don't want my charakter to die), unfair to the honest players and anti-athmospheric. She hates fights and I would seriously understand her if it was just that (then I'd just help her create a good non-combat PC and give her something to do during fights). But she's also very disinterested in story elements, never bothering to keep them remembered nor showing interest or affort to learn more. She isn't even a good charakter role-player, all her charakters where terribly over the top carricatures in concept and either exactly that or totally bland in play. Her Roleplaying expectation boils dow to interactive Sims with puzzles (most of us hate puzzles in RPG's). Let's just say we don't play with her anymore, though she's a good friend.PS: Heck, I wrote a lot!</blockquote>

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