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Message: <blockquote data-quote="mmu1" data-source="post: 4253838" data-attributes="member: 319">Poison no longer poses a serious threat of killing a PC. Neither do what used to be 7th-9th level spells....but disease is probably slightly more deadly than before and pretty much the only thing that can render a character non-functional. And that's ok? On top of that, trying to remove it does damage, when you can shrug off the effects of some of the deadliest spells and poisons with a flip of a coin? (Example: A level 14 disease makes you slowed and eventually paralyzes you if you get less than 26 on Endurance checks when taking an extended rest. A 25th level poison that costs over 150,000 gp does 15 points of ongoing damage and weaknes you... until you make a save at no penalty)I honestly do not get how the same people who say they love how 4E had gotten rid of all the "unfun" stuff are the same ones who think the new Disease and Cure Disease are just great.I actually think the new disease rules are pretty decent - they just stand out like a huge blinking neon sign among all the other "no longer deadly, merely unpleasant" 4E hazards.</blockquote>