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<blockquote data-quote="OB1" data-source="post: 9432300" data-attributes="member: 6796241">With the caveat that I may change my mind after I get both the PHB and DMG in my hands, my sense now is that the rules for Hiding and the Invisible condition work quite well without errata or house rules, thanks in large part to the thoughts in this thread of [USER=6932123]@Kinematics[/USER] [USER=23751]@Maxperson[/USER] and [USER=7040881]@Soulknife_Infiltrator[/USER].&nbsp; The only question I have in my own mind is how I would rule on someone coming out of cover in Bright Light as to whether they would automatically be found (ie no uncertainty) or if I would instead give all enemies (or PCs if the circumstances were reversed) advantage (and thus a +5 to their passive perception) to find someone coming out of cover or a heavily obscured area.&nbsp; I'm leaning towards the latter, as I think it's fine that a rouge who got a 21 Stealth check could slip by a typical guard (15 passive upped to 20 due to advantage) in bright light&nbsp; (waiting for them to turn their head before sneaking by) or sneak up behind an enemy in battle to melee attack them.&nbsp; In Dim Light coming out of cover would be against the regular passive perception roll, and I'd probably give disadvantage to the enemy if they were in Darkness (making it consistant with the advantage for Bright Light).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="OB1, post: 9432300, member: 6796241"] With the caveat that I may change my mind after I get both the PHB and DMG in my hands, my sense now is that the rules for Hiding and the Invisible condition work quite well without errata or house rules, thanks in large part to the thoughts in this thread of [USER=6932123]@Kinematics[/USER] [USER=23751]@Maxperson[/USER] and [USER=7040881]@Soulknife_Infiltrator[/USER]. The only question I have in my own mind is how I would rule on someone coming out of cover in Bright Light as to whether they would automatically be found (ie no uncertainty) or if I would instead give all enemies (or PCs if the circumstances were reversed) advantage (and thus a +5 to their passive perception) to find someone coming out of cover or a heavily obscured area. I'm leaning towards the latter, as I think it's fine that a rouge who got a 21 Stealth check could slip by a typical guard (15 passive upped to 20 due to advantage) in bright light (waiting for them to turn their head before sneaking by) or sneak up behind an enemy in battle to melee attack them. In Dim Light coming out of cover would be against the regular passive perception roll, and I'd probably give disadvantage to the enemy if they were in Darkness (making it consistant with the advantage for Bright Light). [/QUOTE]

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