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<blockquote data-quote="Celtavian" data-source="post: 6641166" data-attributes="member: 5834">Is that how you take it? As some sort of implied personal insult? The reason I said as times goes by is because 5E is relatively new. The current campaigns are petering out at around level 6 according to surveys with very few going to level 12. You won't get much information from a game system if most are playing to level 6 out of 20 possible levels. I'm hoping once there is a larger number of people that have played past level 6 or even 12, other DMs will note the damage discrepancy and the issues the feats cause. We will see more hop on board of the &quot;change these feats&quot; wagon. Even many posting on these threads have very little experience with the feats. I think of the people posting often on the topic only Dave and I have played a fairly core rules campaign to 16th level with characters and parties taking optimal advantage of the feats. I believe Merric has played to level 12. If I recall his party was an odd set of classes that I'm not sure had either feat present.Most people are probably on their first or second campaign given how new 5E is. When a game is that new, you don't see issues with it. Dave and I happen to have some serious optimizers in our groups. They know how to read the rules and make a crazy powerful character. Not everyone does this whether by choice or lack of system mastery. For me it is important to slow down options that shunt players into certain feats or types of characters that overshadow other types. It creates a bad situation where you have guys that may want to make a TWF or blaster wizard and feel vastly underpowered compared to a GWF or Sharpshooter. I feel that is the main problem with the feats. Until more people have a chance to play in groups where the feats are used by optimized characters, the problem will be hard to see.So hopefully you now understand why I said &quot;I hope as time goes by, more will see it&quot;, it being the problem with the feats.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Celtavian, post: 6641166, member: 5834"] Is that how you take it? As some sort of implied personal insult? The reason I said as times goes by is because 5E is relatively new. The current campaigns are petering out at around level 6 according to surveys with very few going to level 12. You won't get much information from a game system if most are playing to level 6 out of 20 possible levels. I'm hoping once there is a larger number of people that have played past level 6 or even 12, other DMs will note the damage discrepancy and the issues the feats cause. We will see more hop on board of the "change these feats" wagon. Even many posting on these threads have very little experience with the feats. I think of the people posting often on the topic only Dave and I have played a fairly core rules campaign to 16th level with characters and parties taking optimal advantage of the feats. I believe Merric has played to level 12. If I recall his party was an odd set of classes that I'm not sure had either feat present. Most people are probably on their first or second campaign given how new 5E is. When a game is that new, you don't see issues with it. Dave and I happen to have some serious optimizers in our groups. They know how to read the rules and make a crazy powerful character. Not everyone does this whether by choice or lack of system mastery. For me it is important to slow down options that shunt players into certain feats or types of characters that overshadow other types. It creates a bad situation where you have guys that may want to make a TWF or blaster wizard and feel vastly underpowered compared to a GWF or Sharpshooter. I feel that is the main problem with the feats. Until more people have a chance to play in groups where the feats are used by optimized characters, the problem will be hard to see. So hopefully you now understand why I said "I hope as time goes by, more will see it", it being the problem with the feats. [/QUOTE]

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