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<blockquote data-quote="peukinho" data-source="post: 6642381" data-attributes="member: 6797025"><p>I believe the easiest method to balance those two feats would be to increase Monster ACs across the board. </p><p></p><p>Lets pick 3 generic heroes:</p><p></p><p>All three Level 11, so we are in tier 3, all main-stats are 18 and all three use +1 weapons. Just for this example I'm using only a few relevant feats, simple math and I will ignore critical hits. All numbers are rounded up. </p><p></p><p>Fighter Lv 11, Str 18, GWF and GWM </p><p>3 attacks per round 2w6+5, +9 to attack or 2w6+15 +4 to attack</p><p>Lets pretend thats 13 damage with +9 or 23 damage with +4 per attack</p><p></p><p>Fighter Lv 11, Dex 18, Archery and SS</p><p>3 attacks per round w8+5 (10 damage), +11 or w8+15 (20 damage), + 6</p><p></p><p>Paladin Lv 11, Str 18, Dueling + Divine Favor</p><p>2 attacks per round 2w8+7 (16 damage), +9 or 2w8+7+w4 (19 damage), + 9</p><p></p><p>Now lets take a look the expected numbers (damage per round, no special attacks, just the 2 feats and the Lv. 1 spell)</p><p></p><p>[TABLE="width: 500"][TR][TD]vs. AC[/TD][TD]Paladin[/TD][TD]Paladin + DF[/TD][TD]Archer[/TD][TD]Archer + SS[/TD][TD]Melee[/TD][TD]Melee + GWM[/TD][/TR][TR][TD]10[/TD][TD]32[/TD][TD]38[/TD][TD]30[/TD][TD]51[/TD][TD]40[/TD][TD]59,5[/TD][/TR][TR][TD]11[/TD][TD]30,4[/TD][TD]36,1[/TD][TD]30[/TD][TD]48[/TD][TD]38[/TD][TD]56[/TD][/TR][TR][TD]12[/TD][TD]28,8[/TD][TD]34,2[/TD][TD]30[/TD][TD]45[/TD][TD]36[/TD][TD]52,5[/TD][/TR][TR][TD]13[/TD][TD]27,2[/TD][TD]32,3[/TD][TD]28,5[/TD][TD]42[/TD][TD]34[/TD][TD]49[/TD][/TR][TR][TD]14[/TD][TD]25,6[/TD][TD]30,4[/TD][TD]27[/TD][TD]39[/TD][TD]32[/TD][TD]45,5[/TD][/TR][TR][TD]15[/TD][TD]24[/TD][TD]28,5[/TD][TD]25,5[/TD][TD]36[/TD][TD]30[/TD][TD]42[/TD][/TR][TR][TD]16[/TD][TD]22,4[/TD][TD]26,6[/TD][TD]24[/TD][TD]33[/TD][TD]28[/TD][TD]38,5[/TD][/TR][TR][TD]17[/TD][TD]20,8[/TD][TD]24,7[/TD][TD]22,5[/TD][TD]30[/TD][TD]26[/TD][TD]35[/TD][/TR][TR][TD]18[/TD][TD]19,2[/TD][TD]22,8[/TD][TD]21[/TD][TD]27[/TD][TD]24[/TD][TD]31,5[/TD][/TR][TR][TD]19[/TD][TD]17,6[/TD][TD]20,9[/TD][TD]19,5[/TD][TD]24[/TD][TD]22[/TD][TD]28[/TD][/TR][TR][TD]20[/TD][TD]16[/TD][TD]19[/TD][TD]18[/TD][TD]21[/TD][TD]20[/TD][TD]24,5[/TD][/TR][TR][TD]21[/TD][TD]14,4[/TD][TD]17,1[/TD][TD]16,5[/TD][TD]18[/TD][TD]18[/TD][TD]21[/TD][/TR][TR][TD]22[/TD][TD]12,8[/TD][TD]15,2[/TD][TD]15[/TD][TD]15[/TD][TD]16[/TD][TD]17,5[/TD][/TR][TR][TD]23[/TD][TD]11,2[/TD][TD]13,3[/TD][TD]13,5[/TD][TD]12[/TD][TD]14[/TD][TD]14[/TD][/TR][TR][TD]24[/TD][TD]9,6[/TD][TD]11,4[/TD][TD]12[/TD][TD]9[/TD][TD]12[/TD][TD]10,5[/TD][/TR][TR][TD]25[/TD][TD]8[/TD][TD]9,5[/TD][TD]10,5[/TD][TD]6[/TD][TD]10[/TD][TD]7[/TD][/TR][TR][TD]26[/TD][TD]6,4[/TD][TD]7,6[/TD][TD]9[/TD][TD]3[/TD][TD]8[/TD][TD]3,5[/TD][/TR][/TABLE]So if I didn't miss anything big, that should prove that monster ACs around 21 to 23 work pretty well, even in tier 3 with those feats.</p><p></p><p>(if anyone sees a mathematical error please let me know)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="peukinho, post: 6642381, member: 6797025"] I believe the easiest method to balance those two feats would be to increase Monster ACs across the board. Lets pick 3 generic heroes: All three Level 11, so we are in tier 3, all main-stats are 18 and all three use +1 weapons. Just for this example I'm using only a few relevant feats, simple math and I will ignore critical hits. All numbers are rounded up. Fighter Lv 11, Str 18, GWF and GWM 3 attacks per round 2w6+5, +9 to attack or 2w6+15 +4 to attack Lets pretend thats 13 damage with +9 or 23 damage with +4 per attack Fighter Lv 11, Dex 18, Archery and SS 3 attacks per round w8+5 (10 damage), +11 or w8+15 (20 damage), + 6 Paladin Lv 11, Str 18, Dueling + Divine Favor 2 attacks per round 2w8+7 (16 damage), +9 or 2w8+7+w4 (19 damage), + 9 Now lets take a look the expected numbers (damage per round, no special attacks, just the 2 feats and the Lv. 1 spell) [TABLE="width: 500"][TR][TD]vs. AC[/TD][TD]Paladin[/TD][TD]Paladin + DF[/TD][TD]Archer[/TD][TD]Archer + SS[/TD][TD]Melee[/TD][TD]Melee + GWM[/TD][/TR][TR][TD]10[/TD][TD]32[/TD][TD]38[/TD][TD]30[/TD][TD]51[/TD][TD]40[/TD][TD]59,5[/TD][/TR][TR][TD]11[/TD][TD]30,4[/TD][TD]36,1[/TD][TD]30[/TD][TD]48[/TD][TD]38[/TD][TD]56[/TD][/TR][TR][TD]12[/TD][TD]28,8[/TD][TD]34,2[/TD][TD]30[/TD][TD]45[/TD][TD]36[/TD][TD]52,5[/TD][/TR][TR][TD]13[/TD][TD]27,2[/TD][TD]32,3[/TD][TD]28,5[/TD][TD]42[/TD][TD]34[/TD][TD]49[/TD][/TR][TR][TD]14[/TD][TD]25,6[/TD][TD]30,4[/TD][TD]27[/TD][TD]39[/TD][TD]32[/TD][TD]45,5[/TD][/TR][TR][TD]15[/TD][TD]24[/TD][TD]28,5[/TD][TD]25,5[/TD][TD]36[/TD][TD]30[/TD][TD]42[/TD][/TR][TR][TD]16[/TD][TD]22,4[/TD][TD]26,6[/TD][TD]24[/TD][TD]33[/TD][TD]28[/TD][TD]38,5[/TD][/TR][TR][TD]17[/TD][TD]20,8[/TD][TD]24,7[/TD][TD]22,5[/TD][TD]30[/TD][TD]26[/TD][TD]35[/TD][/TR][TR][TD]18[/TD][TD]19,2[/TD][TD]22,8[/TD][TD]21[/TD][TD]27[/TD][TD]24[/TD][TD]31,5[/TD][/TR][TR][TD]19[/TD][TD]17,6[/TD][TD]20,9[/TD][TD]19,5[/TD][TD]24[/TD][TD]22[/TD][TD]28[/TD][/TR][TR][TD]20[/TD][TD]16[/TD][TD]19[/TD][TD]18[/TD][TD]21[/TD][TD]20[/TD][TD]24,5[/TD][/TR][TR][TD]21[/TD][TD]14,4[/TD][TD]17,1[/TD][TD]16,5[/TD][TD]18[/TD][TD]18[/TD][TD]21[/TD][/TR][TR][TD]22[/TD][TD]12,8[/TD][TD]15,2[/TD][TD]15[/TD][TD]15[/TD][TD]16[/TD][TD]17,5[/TD][/TR][TR][TD]23[/TD][TD]11,2[/TD][TD]13,3[/TD][TD]13,5[/TD][TD]12[/TD][TD]14[/TD][TD]14[/TD][/TR][TR][TD]24[/TD][TD]9,6[/TD][TD]11,4[/TD][TD]12[/TD][TD]9[/TD][TD]12[/TD][TD]10,5[/TD][/TR][TR][TD]25[/TD][TD]8[/TD][TD]9,5[/TD][TD]10,5[/TD][TD]6[/TD][TD]10[/TD][TD]7[/TD][/TR][TR][TD]26[/TD][TD]6,4[/TD][TD]7,6[/TD][TD]9[/TD][TD]3[/TD][TD]8[/TD][TD]3,5[/TD][/TR][/TABLE]So if I didn't miss anything big, that should prove that monster ACs around 21 to 23 work pretty well, even in tier 3 with those feats. (if anyone sees a mathematical error please let me know) [/QUOTE]
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