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<blockquote data-quote="Coredump" data-source="post: 6642628" data-attributes="member: 6939">Okay, thank you for providing the information you could.&nbsp; Unfortunately, this just highlights the problem with &quot;using real data&quot; as you like to say.First, since this is a &quot;real&quot; encounter with &quot;Real Data&quot;.... how do they have an attack bonus of 14.5?&nbsp; Shouldn't it be 14? or 15?Second, what you are telling me does not match the data you provided.The Longbowman had 3 crits, on a 32.&nbsp; Which means an attack bonus of 12, not 14.5The Crossbowman had 1 crit on a 32. Which means an attack bonus of 17 (to give a +12 bonus after SS)The Crossbowman also rolled a 32 which did not crit.... no idea what that means...If the crossbowman had an attack bonus of 9.5 as you say... how was he rolling those 30,31,32 results?If their bonus was 14.5, how did no one get anything beyond a 32?How do we know that they were targetting equivalent AC creatures? Was the SS player 'cherry picking' the low AC creatures?I like Data, I really do.&nbsp; It helps discover issues that may not have been evident otherwise. But to be useful, data needs to be accurate and the details must be known.&nbsp; What you have presented does not match what you are telling us. Based on the numbers, it looks like the SS player had a much higher attack bonus.Second, you are looking at someone with two synergizing feats (SS and CE) and somehow determining that only one of them is the &quot;problem&quot;.&nbsp;Data like this isn't very useful. But if you have more accurate data, that matches what you say was happening in the game... then it would be great to see it.Yes, if multiple PCs are willing to work together, they will cause more damage than if they do not work together.&nbsp; I find this to be a feature, not a bug.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Coredump, post: 6642628, member: 6939"] Okay, thank you for providing the information you could. Unfortunately, this just highlights the problem with "using real data" as you like to say. First, since this is a "real" encounter with "Real Data".... how do they have an attack bonus of 14.5? Shouldn't it be 14? or 15? Second, what you are telling me does not match the data you provided. The Longbowman had 3 crits, on a 32. Which means an attack bonus of 12, not 14.5 The Crossbowman had 1 crit on a 32. Which means an attack bonus of 17 (to give a +12 bonus after SS) The Crossbowman also rolled a 32 which did not crit.... no idea what that means... If the crossbowman had an attack bonus of 9.5 as you say... how was he rolling those 30,31,32 results? If their bonus was 14.5, how did no one get anything beyond a 32? How do we know that they were targetting equivalent AC creatures? Was the SS player 'cherry picking' the low AC creatures? I like Data, I really do. It helps discover issues that may not have been evident otherwise. But to be useful, data needs to be accurate and the details must be known. What you have presented does not match what you are telling us. Based on the numbers, it looks like the SS player had a much higher attack bonus. Second, you are looking at someone with two synergizing feats (SS and CE) and somehow determining that only one of them is the "problem". Data like this isn't very useful. But if you have more accurate data, that matches what you say was happening in the game... then it would be great to see it. Yes, if multiple PCs are willing to work together, they will cause more damage than if they do not work together. I find this to be a feature, not a bug. [/QUOTE]

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