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<blockquote data-quote="Ristamar" data-source="post: 6644317" data-attributes="member: 1207">I probably should have been clear about my definition of failure.&nbsp; I wasn't referring to the players simply not achieving a goal and subsequently moving on with the story.&nbsp; The failure I was referring to means the story comes to an abrupt end because of character death(s) or because the PCs fail to stop a catastrophic event.I believe this is the crux of our disagreement.&nbsp; I feel safe in saying that many people do treat D&amp;D as a competitive game.&nbsp; Players versus the DM's challenges.&nbsp; Failure means the PCs die, the world ends, or some other horrible fate.Personally, I don't make an effort to intentionally kill the players with said challenges, but I expect to push them to their limits while not pulling any punches or fudging dice rolls.&nbsp; Character permadeath or a TPK is always potentially on the table.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ristamar, post: 6644317, member: 1207"] I probably should have been clear about my definition of failure. I wasn't referring to the players simply not achieving a goal and subsequently moving on with the story. The failure I was referring to means the story comes to an abrupt end because of character death(s) or because the PCs fail to stop a catastrophic event. I believe this is the crux of our disagreement. I feel safe in saying that many people do treat D&D as a competitive game. Players versus the DM's challenges. Failure means the PCs die, the world ends, or some other horrible fate. Personally, I don't make an effort to intentionally kill the players with said challenges, but I expect to push them to their limits while not pulling any punches or fudging dice rolls. Character permadeath or a TPK is always potentially on the table. [/QUOTE]

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