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<blockquote data-quote="DaveDash" data-source="post: 6645541" data-attributes="member: 6786202">I don't know how many times I need to keep repeating this, but I will keep repeating it as much as needed.Bless is -presumably- an easy example for you to grasp of how you can turn -5 into -2.5 - then combined with Archery Style its an effective -0.5 penalty, wiping out the majority of the penalty of the feat.It's not necessarily a requirement at all. Run with a Wolf Totem Barbarian and suddenly you have advantage in almost every fight. Then there are magic weapons. Then there are potions. There are so many factors in game that reduce the -5 penalty and give you a effective +10 bonus on all your damage attacks.You haven't even bothered to acknowledge the fact that Bless does not need to be cast round 1 in combat either. A lot of combats running through HoTDQ we have had the initiative and gained surprise - in fact we cast Bless before combat even begins. The Cleric (me in our current games) doesn't need to ride a damn thing.If you don't scout, don't optimize, don't go past level 8, don't ever get advantage, don't ever cast bless, self regulate when it comes to these feats.. this that and the next thing, you may not have an issue, but the list of 'buts' is growing.Again, tell me what experience you have playing with an SS + Crossbow Expert in your group? I'd like to know why you're convinced there's no possible scenario in which these feats could ever pose a problem.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DaveDash, post: 6645541, member: 6786202"] I don't know how many times I need to keep repeating this, but I will keep repeating it as much as needed. Bless is -presumably- an easy example for you to grasp of how you can turn -5 into -2.5 - then combined with Archery Style its an effective -0.5 penalty, wiping out the majority of the penalty of the feat. It's not necessarily a requirement at all. Run with a Wolf Totem Barbarian and suddenly you have advantage in almost every fight. Then there are magic weapons. Then there are potions. There are so many factors in game that reduce the -5 penalty and give you a effective +10 bonus on all your damage attacks. You haven't even bothered to acknowledge the fact that Bless does not need to be cast round 1 in combat either. A lot of combats running through HoTDQ we have had the initiative and gained surprise - in fact we cast Bless before combat even begins. The Cleric (me in our current games) doesn't need to ride a damn thing. If you don't scout, don't optimize, don't go past level 8, don't ever get advantage, don't ever cast bless, self regulate when it comes to these feats.. this that and the next thing, you may not have an issue, but the list of 'buts' is growing. Again, tell me what experience you have playing with an SS + Crossbow Expert in your group? I'd like to know why you're convinced there's no possible scenario in which these feats could ever pose a problem. [/QUOTE]

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