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Message: <blockquote data-quote="aramis erak" data-source="post: 6649323" data-attributes="member: 6779310">My experience is that the GWM fighter of level ≤8 never has a buff bigger than +1 - because no cleric is giving them to GWM fighters. I've seen bless cast exactly twice in the entirety of my gaming 5E - And in both cases, the Rogues (plural) got the bless, not the GWM. Why? Because the Rogues do more damage by going front line. Have the fighter pick the target, bless the rogues, and the sneak attacks make shorter work. Likewise, for Bardic Inspiration. The Rogues and spellcasters are getting that, so that they hit from range.And, in general, +1 from weapon.Hell, it's only been the last 6 weeks anyone's even played a CLERIC at all at a table I've run. Of the 30+ people weekly at my FLGS, 3 play clerics. There's a stack of printed out unplayed pregen clerics. Meanwhile, there's not for other classes.It's just not a given. Even with a +4 buff (which is purely to-hit - so just subtract 4 from the AC's), it changes the average damage only slightly. Especially in season 2 adventures. Half the fighters with GWM & GWFS have gotten rid of GWM as not worthwhile, when the bonus to strength has served them better. (Gotta love those rebuilds in tier 1.)I've not been saying they're worthless - but at low levels (≤8) they are not as good as raising the attribute. At 12th level, they're worth considering, because you've already maxed the attribute. If you can, with a +4 or +5 strength mod, get the to hit down to where a natural 10  is needed  to hit, then GWM increases your damage output.... by a few points of average per attack. It's still not significant long run.  The -5 is really balanced against the +10.The interaction of SS & XBM is a bit more potent - but two feats is a HUGE cost, and should be a significant bonus. 2 extra 1sts and 4 extra cantrips, or +4 to an attribute (+2 att bonus).And the table...This compares the average damage per attack (not action) based upon a +5 att bonus. The left hand index is the natural roll needed to hit after all mods; the table entry shows unmodified/power attack and which is better.<table style='width: 100%'><tr><td>AC-THB</td><td>d4</td><td>d6</td><td>d8</td><td>d10</td><td>d12</td><td>2d6</td><td>1d10+GWFS</td><td>1d12+GWFS</td><td>2d6 + GWFS</td><td></td><td></td><td></td></tr><tr><td>20</td><td>0.5/1.75 Pwr</td><td>0.6/1.85 Pwr</td><td>0.7/1.95 Pwr</td><td>0.8/2.05 Pwr</td><td>0.9/2.15 Pwr</td><td>0.95/2.2 Pwr</td><td>0.8833/2.1333 Pwr</td><td>0.9833/2.2333 Pwr</td><td>1.0833/2.3333 Pwr</td><td></td><td></td><td></td></tr><tr><td>19</td><td>0.875/1.75 Pwr</td><td>1.025/1.85 Pwr</td><td>1.175/1.95 Pwr</td><td>1.325/2.05 Pwr</td><td>1.475/2.15 Pwr</td><td>1.55/2.2 Pwr</td><td>1.44995/2.1333 Pwr</td><td>1.59995/2.2333 Pwr</td><td>1.74995/2.3333 Pwr</td><td></td><td></td><td></td></tr><tr><td>18</td><td>1.25/1.75 Pwr</td><td>1.45/1.85 Pwr</td><td>1.65/1.95 Pwr</td><td>1.85/2.05 Pwr</td><td>2.05/2.15 Pwr</td><td>2.15/2.2 Pwr</td><td>2.0166/2.1333 Pwr</td><td>2.2166/2.2333 Pwr</td><td>2.4166/2.3333 Std</td><td></td><td></td><td></td></tr><tr><td>17</td><td>1.625/1.75 Pwr</td><td>1.875/1.85 Std</td><td>2.125/1.95 Std</td><td>2.375/2.05 Std</td><td>2.625/2.15 Std</td><td>2.75/2.2 Std</td><td>2.58325/2.1333 Std</td><td>2.83325/2.2333 Std</td><td>3.08325/2.3333 Std</td><td></td><td></td><td></td></tr><tr><td>16</td><td>2/1.75 Std</td><td>2.3/1.85 Std</td><td>2.6/1.95 Std</td><td>2.9/2.05 Std</td><td>3.2/2.15 Std</td><td>3.35/2.2 Std</td><td>3.1499/2.1333 Std</td><td>3.4499/2.2333 Std</td><td>3.7499/2.3333 Std</td><td></td><td></td><td></td></tr><tr><td>15</td><td>2.375/1.75 Std</td><td>2.725/1.85 Std</td><td>3.075/1.95 Std</td><td>3.425/2.05 Std</td><td>3.775/2.15 Std</td><td>3.95/2.2 Std</td><td>3.71655/2.1333 Std</td><td>4.06655/2.2333 Std</td><td>4.41655/2.3333 Std</td><td></td><td></td><td></td></tr><tr><td>14</td><td>2.75/2.625 Std</td><td>3.15/2.775 Std</td><td>3.55/2.925 Std</td><td>3.95/3.075 Std</td><td>4.35/3.225 Std</td><td>4.55/3.3 Std</td><td>4.2832/3.19995 Std</td><td>4.6832/3.34995 Std</td><td>5.0832/3.49995 Std</td><td></td><td></td><td></td></tr><tr><td>13</td><td>3.125/3.5 Pwr</td><td>3.575/3.7 Pwr</td><td>4.025/3.9 Std</td><td>4.475/4.1 Std</td><td>4.925/4.3 Std</td><td>5.15/4.4 Std</td><td>4.84985/4.2666 Std</td><td>5.29985/4.4666 Std</td><td>5.74985/4.6666 Std</td><td></td><td></td><td></td></tr><tr><td>12</td><td>3.5/4.375 Pwr</td><td>4/4.625 Pwr</td><td>4.5/4.875 Pwr</td><td>5/5.125 Pwr</td><td>5.5/5.375 Std</td><td>5.75/5.5 Std</td><td>5.4165/5.33325 Std</td><td>5.9165/5.58325 Std</td><td>6.4165/5.83325 Std</td><td></td><td></td><td></td></tr><tr><td>11</td><td>3.875/5.25 Pwr</td><td>4.425/5.55 Pwr</td><td>4.975/5.85 Pwr</td><td>5.525/6.15 Pwr</td><td>6.075/6.45 Pwr</td><td>6.35/6.6 Pwr</td><td>5.98315/6.3999 Pwr</td><td>6.53315/6.6999 Pwr</td><td>7.08315/6.9999 Std</td><td></td><td></td><td></td></tr><tr><td>10</td><td>4.25/6.125 Pwr</td><td>4.85/6.475 Pwr</td><td>5.45/6.825 Pwr</td><td>6.05/7.175 Pwr</td><td>6.65/7.525 Pwr</td><td>6.95/7.7 Pwr</td><td>6.5498/7.46655 Pwr</td><td>7.1498/7.81655 Pwr</td><td>7.7498/8.16655 Pwr</td><td></td><td></td><td></td></tr><tr><td>9</td><td>4.625/7 Pwr</td><td>5.275/7.4 Pwr</td><td>5.925/7.8 Pwr</td><td>6.575/8.2 Pwr</td><td>7.225/8.6 Pwr</td><td>7.55/8.8 Pwr</td><td>7.11645/8.5332 Pwr</td><td>7.76645/8.9332 Pwr</td><td>8.41645/9.3332 Pwr</td><td></td><td></td><td></td></tr><tr><td>8</td><td>5/7.875 Pwr</td><td>5.7/8.325 Pwr</td><td>6.4/8.775 Pwr</td><td>7.1/9.225 Pwr</td><td>7.8/9.675 Pwr</td><td>8.15/9.9 Pwr</td><td>7.6831/9.59985 Pwr</td><td>8.3831/10.04985 Pwr</td><td>9.0831/10.49985 Pwr</td><td></td><td></td><td></td></tr><tr><td>7</td><td>5.375/8.75 Pwr</td><td>6.125/9.25 Pwr</td><td>6.875/9.75 Pwr</td><td>7.625/10.25 Pwr</td><td>8.375/10.75 Pwr</td><td>8.75/11 Pwr</td><td>8.24975/10.6665 Pwr</td><td>8.99975/11.1665 Pwr</td><td>9.74975/11.6665 Pwr</td><td></td><td></td><td></td></tr><tr><td>6</td><td>5.75/9.625 Pwr</td><td>6.55/10.175 Pwr</td><td>7.35/10.725 Pwr</td><td>8.15/11.275 Pwr</td><td>8.95/11.825 Pwr</td><td>9.35/12.1 Pwr</td><td>8.8164/11.73315 Pwr</td><td>9.6164/12.28315 Pwr</td><td>10.4164/12.83315 Pwr</td><td></td><td></td><td></td></tr><tr><td>5</td><td>6.125/10.5 Pwr</td><td>6.975/11.1 Pwr</td><td>7.825/11.7 Pwr</td><td>8.675/12.3 Pwr</td><td>9.525/12.9 Pwr</td><td>9.95/13.2 Pwr</td><td>9.38305/12.7998 Pwr</td><td>10.23305/13.3998 Pwr</td><td>11.08305/13.9998 Pwr</td><td></td><td></td><td></td></tr><tr><td>4</td><td>6.5/11.375 Pwr</td><td>7.4/12.025 Pwr</td><td>8.3/12.675 Pwr</td><td>9.2/13.325 Pwr</td><td>10.1/13.975 Pwr</td><td>10.55/14.3 Pwr</td><td>9.9497/13.86645 Pwr</td><td>10.8497/14.51645 Pwr</td><td>11.7497/15.16645 Pwr</td><td></td><td></td><td></td></tr><tr><td>3</td><td>6.875/12.25 Pwr</td><td>7.825/12.95 Pwr</td><td>8.775/13.65 Pwr</td><td>9.725/14.35 Pwr</td><td>10.675/15.05 Pwr</td><td>11.15/15.4 Pwr</td><td>10.51635/14.9331 Pwr</td><td>11.46635/15.6331 Pwr</td><td>12.41635/16.3331 Pwr</td><td></td><td></td><td></td></tr><tr><td>2</td><td>7.25/13.125 Pwr</td><td>8.25/13.875 Pwr</td><td>9.25/14.625 Pwr</td><td>10.25/15.375 Pwr</td><td>11.25/16.125 Pwr</td><td>11.75/16.5 Pwr</td><td>11.083/15.99975 Pwr</td><td>12.083/16.74975 Pwr</td><td>13.083/17.49975 Pwr</td><td></td><td></td><td></td></tr></table>My conclusions remain unchanged. It's not worth taking the power attack feats when you can instead raise the attribute.</blockquote>

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