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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 6652704" data-attributes="member: 2011">Sure, such a combo could exist in the game. But the Shield spell lasts at most a round and Greater Invisibility can be countered (Counterspell DC 14, Dispel Magic DC 14, or even damage).Note: The Shield spell often does not last close to a full round. It only lasts a full round if the Dragon uses it on the PC's init immediately next after the Dragon's. Otherwise, it often lasts way less than a round. In our Dragon encounter yesterday, there were 7 PCs, 4 monsters, and a Dragon. 12 inits. The Dragon's init was 2 creatures below the Wizard's init, so its Shield spell lasts for 2 inits out of 12 or 1/6th of a round (2/7th of PC's inits).This type of combo tends to last one or two round max. In those rounds, the Sharpshooter PC does not use the -5/+10. He uses normal attacks. After Shield and Invisibility are gone, then he again has the option to nova.Again, you set up these scenarios and say &quot;See, the SS -5/+10 DPR is less DPR than not using it.&quot;. Well, of course you can set up these scenarios.But, that's irrelevant. There are more situations at most tables where a buffed SS or GWM PC does more DPR using -5/+10 because players go out of their way to set up those situations. If the situation is not good, then the SS or GWM PC just chooses to not use -5/+10. Gaming 101.And in fact, most monsters do not have spells. Sure, you could throw a spell caster or two in with every encounter, but that is not the status quo at most tables in most encounters. Most monsters do not have ways to counter buffed -5/+10 SS or GWM PCs.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 6652704, member: 2011"] Sure, such a combo could exist in the game. But the Shield spell lasts at most a round and Greater Invisibility can be countered (Counterspell DC 14, Dispel Magic DC 14, or even damage). Note: The Shield spell often does not last close to a full round. It only lasts a full round if the Dragon uses it on the PC's init immediately next after the Dragon's. Otherwise, it often lasts way less than a round. In our Dragon encounter yesterday, there were 7 PCs, 4 monsters, and a Dragon. 12 inits. The Dragon's init was 2 creatures below the Wizard's init, so its Shield spell lasts for 2 inits out of 12 or 1/6th of a round (2/7th of PC's inits). This type of combo tends to last one or two round max. In those rounds, the Sharpshooter PC does not use the -5/+10. He uses normal attacks. After Shield and Invisibility are gone, then he again has the option to nova. Again, you set up these scenarios and say "See, the SS -5/+10 DPR is less DPR than not using it.". Well, of course you can set up these scenarios. But, that's irrelevant. There are more situations at most tables where a buffed SS or GWM PC does more DPR using -5/+10 because players go out of their way to set up those situations. If the situation is not good, then the SS or GWM PC just chooses to not use -5/+10. Gaming 101. And in fact, most monsters do not have spells. Sure, you could throw a spell caster or two in with every encounter, but that is not the status quo at most tables in most encounters. Most monsters do not have ways to counter buffed -5/+10 SS or GWM PCs. [/QUOTE]

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