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<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 9016475" data-attributes="member: 42582">There seems to be some tension here: you were concerned that the PCs were not mechanically powerful enough to tackle the Winery, and so got the players to add a couple of levels; they then easily defeated the encounter at the winery, and you're unhappy that the encounter at the Winery was too easy.I don't know much about 5e D&amp;D's CR rules, but taking what someone posted upthread at face value, twig blights are CR 1/8 and a druid is CR 2. Treating those additively (which probably exaggerates their strength), that is 24/8 +2 = 5. In 3E D&amp;D, I would expect a 5th level party to handle a CR 5 encounter fairly handily, especially if it had a lot of low AC, 4 hp creatures in it. In 4e D&amp;D, I would expect a 5th level party to handle a Level 5 encounter fairly handily, especially if the PCs have AoE abilities and the encounter includes 24 closely-packed 1st level minions. (In 4e, 24 1st level minions would be 600 XP, which is 3/5 of the budget for a 5th level encounter.)So the outcome in the Winery doesn't seem that surprising to me.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 9016475, member: 42582"] There seems to be some tension here: you were concerned that the PCs were not mechanically powerful enough to tackle the Winery, and so got the players to add a couple of levels; they then easily defeated the encounter at the winery, and you're unhappy that the encounter at the Winery was too easy. I don't know much about 5e D&D's CR rules, but taking what someone posted upthread at face value, twig blights are CR 1/8 and a druid is CR 2. Treating those additively (which probably exaggerates their strength), that is 24/8 +2 = 5. In 3E D&D, I would expect a 5th level party to handle a CR 5 encounter fairly handily, especially if it had a lot of low AC, 4 hp creatures in it. In 4e D&D, I would expect a 5th level party to handle a Level 5 encounter fairly handily, especially if the PCs have AoE abilities and the encounter includes 24 closely-packed 1st level minions. (In 4e, 24 1st level minions would be 600 XP, which is 3/5 of the budget for a 5th level encounter.) So the outcome in the Winery doesn't seem that surprising to me. [/QUOTE]

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