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<blockquote data-quote="evilbob" data-source="post: 6862878" data-attributes="member: 9789">And if that's the type of game you like, sure - but my point wasn't just that these encounters are &quot;deadly,&quot; as per the encounter definition, but rather:&nbsp; wildly, impossibly over the party's level.&nbsp; The windmill?&nbsp; It's sort of like sending the party up against an adult blue dragon.&nbsp; 6 vampire spawn is actually slightly harder than an adult red dragon.&nbsp; Why would you put a level 4 party against an adult blue dragon?&nbsp; And why would the book suggest that level 4 is about the right level to do that?&nbsp; (Did the book really think the party would just ignore children in cages and not try to kill the hags?)These aren't encounters that just difficult, or someone might die - I would estimate that a level 4 party against an adult blue dragon leaves a 0% chance for success.&nbsp; It has a breath weapon that can kill the party in one turn - just like the hags can polymorph 3 characters in one turn, if all three are together.&nbsp; Anyway, there's a difference between &quot;deadly&quot; and &quot;no chance&quot; and these encounters are &quot;no chance.&quot;&nbsp; Mostly I'm just pointing them out so people can decide if they want to try to discourage the party from facing an adult blue dragon head on at level 4, or how deadly of a game they want to run.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="evilbob, post: 6862878, member: 9789"] And if that's the type of game you like, sure - but my point wasn't just that these encounters are "deadly," as per the encounter definition, but rather: [i]wildly, impossibly[/i] over the party's level. The windmill? It's sort of like sending the party up against an adult blue dragon. 6 vampire spawn is actually slightly harder than an adult red dragon. Why would you put a level 4 party against an adult blue dragon? And why would the book suggest that level 4 is about the right level to do that? (Did the book really think the party would just ignore children in cages and not try to kill the hags?) These aren't encounters that just difficult, or someone might die - I would estimate that a level 4 party against an adult blue dragon leaves a 0% chance for success. It has a breath weapon that can kill the party in one turn - just like the hags can polymorph 3 characters in one turn, if all three are together. Anyway, there's a difference between "deadly" and "no chance" and these encounters are "no chance." Mostly I'm just pointing them out so people can decide if they want to try to discourage the party from facing an adult blue dragon head on at level 4, or how deadly of a game they want to run. [/QUOTE]

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