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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Wycen" data-source="post: 5894609" data-attributes="member: 13732">I don't like 15 point buy, but I can make it work.  Essentially you have 3 dump stats, though I'm sure people buy points back by lowering their CHA and choose races which boost stats.  Personally I don't like having any stat below 10, partly because I never remember the negative modifier.25 point buy you can do a LOT with, but I find 20 works great.  Honestly I've thought several times that 21 points would be perfect because that 1 extra point often bumps something to an even number to get the positive modifier.And I remembered we stopped the game for dinner so the battle wasn't a solid 3 hour block.</blockquote>