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<blockquote data-quote="Raven Crowking" data-source="post: 3434170" data-attributes="member: 18280"><p>Sure. I would definitely agree that Law and Chaos are about how societal and individual rights are ordered in terms of importance. Law holds that the rights of a society outweight the rights of an individual; Chaos the other way around.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Well, according the the SRD</p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px">“Good” implies altruism, respect for life, and a concern for the dignity of sentient beings. Good characters make personal sacrifices to help others.</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">“Evil” implies hurting, oppressing, and killing others. Some evil creatures simply have no compassion for others and kill without qualms if doing so is convenient. Others actively pursue evil, killing for sport or out of duty to some evil deity or master.</p><p></p><p>so, if you kill others without qualms, you are evil rather than good. Likewise, evil implies oppressing others, and good implies "a concern for the dignity of sentient beings". Good characters would certainly want to lead others from evil, but, I would suggest, forcibly changing someone's moral outlook isn't "good" -- indeed, it is far worse than oppression of the body, IMHO.</p><p></p><p>If <em>Identity Crisis</em> is any indication, BTW, Batman agrees with me. <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/laugh.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing :lol:" data-shortname=":lol:" /> </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Consider also, from the SRD</p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px">"Law” implies honor, trustworthiness, obedience to authority, and reliability. On the downside, lawfulness can include close-mindedness, reactionary adherence to tradition, judgmentalness, and a lack of adaptability. Those who consciously promote lawfulness say that only lawful behavior creates a society in which people can depend on each other and make the right decisions in full confidence that others will act as they should.</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">“Chaos” implies freedom, adaptability, and flexibility. On the downside, chaos can include recklessness, resentment toward legitimate authority, arbitrary actions, and irresponsibility. Those who promote chaotic behavior say that only unfettered personal freedom allows people to express themselves fully and lets society benefit from the potential that its individuals have within them.</p><p></p><p>From this standpoint, one might easily claim that the poison-helm scenario falls more within the Lawful alignment than a violation of it, in that Chaos presumably holds the rights of the individual as more important than the rights of the group.</p><p></p><p>In fact, this behaviour sounds to me rather like</p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px">Lawful Evil, “Dominator”: A lawful evil villain methodically takes what he wants within the limits of his code of conduct without regard for whom it hurts. He cares about tradition, loyalty, and order but not about freedom, dignity, or life.</p><p></p><p></p><p>RC</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Raven Crowking, post: 3434170, member: 18280"] Sure. I would definitely agree that Law and Chaos are about how societal and individual rights are ordered in terms of importance. Law holds that the rights of a society outweight the rights of an individual; Chaos the other way around. Well, according the the SRD [INDENT]“Good” implies altruism, respect for life, and a concern for the dignity of sentient beings. Good characters make personal sacrifices to help others. “Evil” implies hurting, oppressing, and killing others. Some evil creatures simply have no compassion for others and kill without qualms if doing so is convenient. Others actively pursue evil, killing for sport or out of duty to some evil deity or master.[/INDENT] so, if you kill others without qualms, you are evil rather than good. Likewise, evil implies oppressing others, and good implies "a concern for the dignity of sentient beings". Good characters would certainly want to lead others from evil, but, I would suggest, forcibly changing someone's moral outlook isn't "good" -- indeed, it is far worse than oppression of the body, IMHO. If [I]Identity Crisis[/I] is any indication, BTW, Batman agrees with me. :lol: Consider also, from the SRD [INDENT]"Law” implies honor, trustworthiness, obedience to authority, and reliability. On the downside, lawfulness can include close-mindedness, reactionary adherence to tradition, judgmentalness, and a lack of adaptability. Those who consciously promote lawfulness say that only lawful behavior creates a society in which people can depend on each other and make the right decisions in full confidence that others will act as they should. “Chaos” implies freedom, adaptability, and flexibility. On the downside, chaos can include recklessness, resentment toward legitimate authority, arbitrary actions, and irresponsibility. Those who promote chaotic behavior say that only unfettered personal freedom allows people to express themselves fully and lets society benefit from the potential that its individuals have within them.[/INDENT] From this standpoint, one might easily claim that the poison-helm scenario falls more within the Lawful alignment than a violation of it, in that Chaos presumably holds the rights of the individual as more important than the rights of the group. In fact, this behaviour sounds to me rather like [INDENT]Lawful Evil, “Dominator”: A lawful evil villain methodically takes what he wants within the limits of his code of conduct without regard for whom it hurts. He cares about tradition, loyalty, and order but not about freedom, dignity, or life.[/INDENT] RC [/QUOTE]
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