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<blockquote data-quote="Keldryn" data-source="post: 4804235" data-attributes="member: 11999"><p>Good stuff! I'm just starting the process of doing much the same thing. <em>The Book of the Righteous</em> has long been my favourite 3.x sourcebook as well.</p><p></p><p>I wasn't quite sure how to incorporate the Primordials, but I like your idea of having them come into being as a "side effect" of the Nameless One creating the world. I've also considered making the Nameless One a Primordial, or perhaps the four Old Gods (Kador, Urian, Shalimyr, Rontra), but neither of those really fit. </p><p></p><p>Some of my own thoughts on combining elements of the 4e cosmology into the BoTR mythology:</p><p></p><p>The BoTR has the Nameless One creating himself from nothingness by uttering His name in the "meeting of perfection and change." In that moment of its creation, the universe naturally divided into the Astral Sea (reflecting the "perfect emptiness" of pre-creation) and the Elemental Chaos (reflecting the "pure change" of pre-creation). </p><p></p><p>The BoTR describes this moment of creation as the meeting of "pure law and good" and "pure chaos and evil," and the Elemental Chaos definitely fits in with the book's concept of the Corpus Infernus. Thus, I envision the Astral Sea and the Elemental Chaos as physical manifestations of these pre-creation forces but without the clear good/evil bias of those forces. It could also be that the Nameless One divided the universe thusly in the First Epoch, where he creates his palace in the void then speaks four words which create the four elements.</p><p></p><p>In the Second Epoch, The Nameless One builds the pillars of earth, fire, air, and water, four pure elemental powers rising out of the swirling Elemental Chaos. It is atop these four pillars that the sphere (containing the world and ultimately its reflections) rests. Hmm, I just had a thought that the Primordials could have been born out of the Elemental Chaos as the Nameless One pulled columns of pure elemental power out of the maelstrom.</p><p></p><p>Kador becoming Tharizdun the Chained God makes a lot of sense and fits well into the BoTR mythology, but I think I'd like to keep Kador as Asmodeus (although Iblis would be an alternative Asmodeus). Perhaps Kador became so corrupted by the Corpus Infernus that he split into two beings, one which would become Asmodeus and which would would become Tharizdun. The Abyss (pure chaos and evil) forming in the depths of the Elemental Chaos has "Corpus Infernus" written all over it; after Morwyn expelled the Corpus Infernus to Hell, Tharizdun (whoever he actually is) steals it and plants it within the Elemental Chaos, creating the Abyss. Perhaps Tharizdun is simply the oldest and most powerful Primordial or a fallen divine servant. Or perhaps he is simply "The Chained God" (without being named Tharizdun) and his true identity is that of the Nameless One, who secretly returned to the universe to remove the corrupting influence from His children but fell victim to the Corpus Infernus Himself, as this universal force of pure change and evil existed even before He spoke His name and came into being. That would put a dark and sinister twist on everything.</p><p></p><p>I plan on keeping the gods as named and described in the BoTR, using names of 4e gods as what these gods are known as in other cultures. They won't match up perfectly, but there are a lot of similarities. The legends of the Three Sisters and the Three Brothers in the BoTR makes it easy to work Bahamut and Tiamat, for example, into the mythology.</p><p></p><p>Out of time... I'll come back to this discussion in a bit. I like a lot of your ideas, and I'm glad to see that this book is still enjoyed by others.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Keldryn, post: 4804235, member: 11999"] Good stuff! I'm just starting the process of doing much the same thing. [I]The Book of the Righteous[/I] has long been my favourite 3.x sourcebook as well. I wasn't quite sure how to incorporate the Primordials, but I like your idea of having them come into being as a "side effect" of the Nameless One creating the world. I've also considered making the Nameless One a Primordial, or perhaps the four Old Gods (Kador, Urian, Shalimyr, Rontra), but neither of those really fit. Some of my own thoughts on combining elements of the 4e cosmology into the BoTR mythology: The BoTR has the Nameless One creating himself from nothingness by uttering His name in the "meeting of perfection and change." In that moment of its creation, the universe naturally divided into the Astral Sea (reflecting the "perfect emptiness" of pre-creation) and the Elemental Chaos (reflecting the "pure change" of pre-creation). The BoTR describes this moment of creation as the meeting of "pure law and good" and "pure chaos and evil," and the Elemental Chaos definitely fits in with the book's concept of the Corpus Infernus. Thus, I envision the Astral Sea and the Elemental Chaos as physical manifestations of these pre-creation forces but without the clear good/evil bias of those forces. It could also be that the Nameless One divided the universe thusly in the First Epoch, where he creates his palace in the void then speaks four words which create the four elements. In the Second Epoch, The Nameless One builds the pillars of earth, fire, air, and water, four pure elemental powers rising out of the swirling Elemental Chaos. It is atop these four pillars that the sphere (containing the world and ultimately its reflections) rests. Hmm, I just had a thought that the Primordials could have been born out of the Elemental Chaos as the Nameless One pulled columns of pure elemental power out of the maelstrom. Kador becoming Tharizdun the Chained God makes a lot of sense and fits well into the BoTR mythology, but I think I'd like to keep Kador as Asmodeus (although Iblis would be an alternative Asmodeus). Perhaps Kador became so corrupted by the Corpus Infernus that he split into two beings, one which would become Asmodeus and which would would become Tharizdun. The Abyss (pure chaos and evil) forming in the depths of the Elemental Chaos has "Corpus Infernus" written all over it; after Morwyn expelled the Corpus Infernus to Hell, Tharizdun (whoever he actually is) steals it and plants it within the Elemental Chaos, creating the Abyss. Perhaps Tharizdun is simply the oldest and most powerful Primordial or a fallen divine servant. Or perhaps he is simply "The Chained God" (without being named Tharizdun) and his true identity is that of the Nameless One, who secretly returned to the universe to remove the corrupting influence from His children but fell victim to the Corpus Infernus Himself, as this universal force of pure change and evil existed even before He spoke His name and came into being. That would put a dark and sinister twist on everything. I plan on keeping the gods as named and described in the BoTR, using names of 4e gods as what these gods are known as in other cultures. They won't match up perfectly, but there are a lot of similarities. The legends of the Three Sisters and the Three Brothers in the BoTR makes it easy to work Bahamut and Tiamat, for example, into the mythology. Out of time... I'll come back to this discussion in a bit. I like a lot of your ideas, and I'm glad to see that this book is still enjoyed by others. [/QUOTE]
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