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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 4357257" data-attributes="member: 2011"><p>Good point.</p><p></p><p>Read the Choosing Targets paragraph:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>According to your "an Attack power must have the Target keyword in order to target an enemy" definition, then Wall of Fire is not a power that can EVER be used against an enemy.</p><p></p><p>At all.</p><p></p><p>According to your Targeting definition, it's not just that it cannot Target a Paladin, it can NEVER be used against anyone.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This does not say and/or. It says and. Without the target keyword, areas affect ZERO targets. I don't think so. They don't necessarily affect them immediately like most attack powers, but Wall of Fire still burns.</p><p></p><p></p><p>There are only 3 Wall spells in the PHB that this applies to (that I could find).</p><p></p><p>So given these slight discrepencies, I would just add the Target keyword to Wall of Fire, Wall of Ice, and Blade Barrier and let it go at that. These 3 powers then affect Divine Challenge.</p><p></p><p>I consider this a typo.</p><p></p><p>Otherwise, we have rules discrepencies and arguments forever as to which rule trumps which rule, etc.</p><p></p><p>Meh.</p><p></p><p></p><p>The alternative is to state that all Effects still target foes.</p><p></p><p>Six of one, half a dozen of another. There are a bunch of rules (like the Range rules) that talk about Targets which become invalidated or screwed up if Area Effects do not always Target foes (or even allies for that matter).</p><p></p><p>The word target is used all over the place, just because it is a standard English word to talk about a foe or enemy or ally. I'm not convinced that every single use of it in the PHB means page 57 Targeted.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 4357257, member: 2011"] Good point. Read the Choosing Targets paragraph: According to your "an Attack power must have the Target keyword in order to target an enemy" definition, then Wall of Fire is not a power that can EVER be used against an enemy. At all. According to your Targeting definition, it's not just that it cannot Target a Paladin, it can NEVER be used against anyone. This does not say and/or. It says and. Without the target keyword, areas affect ZERO targets. I don't think so. They don't necessarily affect them immediately like most attack powers, but Wall of Fire still burns. There are only 3 Wall spells in the PHB that this applies to (that I could find). So given these slight discrepencies, I would just add the Target keyword to Wall of Fire, Wall of Ice, and Blade Barrier and let it go at that. These 3 powers then affect Divine Challenge. I consider this a typo. Otherwise, we have rules discrepencies and arguments forever as to which rule trumps which rule, etc. Meh. The alternative is to state that all Effects still target foes. Six of one, half a dozen of another. There are a bunch of rules (like the Range rules) that talk about Targets which become invalidated or screwed up if Area Effects do not always Target foes (or even allies for that matter). The word target is used all over the place, just because it is a standard English word to talk about a foe or enemy or ally. I'm not convinced that every single use of it in the PHB means page 57 Targeted. [/QUOTE]
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