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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 4357757" data-attributes="member: 2011">I would be ok with this definition from a rules perspective if WotC stated this.At that point, I would have a problem with Divine Challenge, not with Area Effects.Divine Challenge to me should not limit the opponent to attacks with attacks versus defenses. If the opponent uses an attack power, that to me is an attack.I don't like vague rules about rules, I like rules that make sense and are consistent. In the case of Divine Challenge:&quot;I CHALLENGE YOU TO ATTACK ME&quot;and Indy pulls out his Dancing Weapon and blows the Paladin with his Two Handed sword away with Wall of Fire. Challenge met.Back to the rules, WotC should be more clear. If they mean Attack Check power every time they use the word attack, they should say so. Since they did not, one has to consider an Attack Power to be an attack until they do.You are infering that not all Attack powers are attacks and that to me just does not make sense.All Attack Powers do not have Attack Checks, but until WotC rules differently, all Attack Powers are attacks. Every single one of them harms or hinders an opponent, the definition of attack in the PHB.They should not be called Combat Powers (since Utility Powers can also be used in Combat), they are properly called Attack Powers because that is what they are.Yup. My bad.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 4357757, member: 2011"] I would be ok with this definition from a rules perspective if WotC stated this. At that point, I would have a problem with Divine Challenge, not with Area Effects. Divine Challenge to me should not limit the opponent to attacks with attacks versus defenses. If the opponent uses an attack power, that to me is an attack. I don't like vague rules about rules, I like rules that make sense and are consistent. In the case of Divine Challenge: "I CHALLENGE YOU TO ATTACK ME" and Indy pulls out his Dancing Weapon and blows the Paladin with his Two Handed sword away with Wall of Fire. Challenge met. Back to the rules, WotC should be more clear. If they mean Attack Check power every time they use the word attack, they should say so. Since they did not, one has to consider an Attack Power to be an attack until they do. You are infering that not all Attack powers are attacks and that to me just does not make sense. All Attack Powers do not have Attack Checks, but until WotC rules differently, all Attack Powers are attacks. Every single one of them harms or hinders an opponent, the definition of attack in the PHB. They should not be called Combat Powers (since Utility Powers can also be used in Combat), they are properly called Attack Powers because that is what they are. Yup. My bad. [/QUOTE]

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