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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 4358429" data-attributes="member: 2011">Making an attack that damages the paladin immediately or even not at all is not much different than one that damages the paladin a bit later or even not at all, and in fact, since all Actions are considered simultaneous (page 266) in a round, it's not really that much later.And, you are entitled to that opinon. Personally, I think Attack Powers, especially ones that almost always do damage, ARE attacks.Hyp's (and your) interpretation is at this point, just one interpretation.If WotC supports that interpretation, fine. I'm ok with that.If WotC supports my preferred interpretation, fine. I'm ok with that too.Although we have a Paladin in our group, the number of Wizards or Clerics (compared to monsters) that he will be Divine Challenging in the lifetime of the campaign is probably pretty low and the number of those that use a Wall spell or Blade Barrier against him is even lower.In other words, the chances of this happening in our game are so low that who really gives a rat's rearend how WotC adjudicates it? It really is mostly a non-issue.What is important is for WotC to come up with answers and then FAQ / Errata them so that everyone can clearly understand the intent with these types of rules.Which way they decide? Meh. Don't care. I have my preference, but I won't lose any sleep over it if they decide differently. I'm more concerned about easy and consistent rules.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 4358429, member: 2011"] Making an attack that damages the paladin immediately or even not at all is not much different than one that damages the paladin a bit later or even not at all, and in fact, since all Actions are considered simultaneous (page 266) in a round, it's not really that much later. And, you are entitled to that opinon. Personally, I think Attack Powers, especially ones that almost always do damage, ARE attacks. Hyp's (and your) interpretation is at this point, just one interpretation. If WotC supports that interpretation, fine. I'm ok with that. If WotC supports my preferred interpretation, fine. I'm ok with that too. Although we have a Paladin in our group, the number of Wizards or Clerics (compared to monsters) that he will be Divine Challenging in the lifetime of the campaign is probably pretty low and the number of those that use a Wall spell or Blade Barrier against him is even lower. In other words, the chances of this happening in our game are so low that who really gives a rat's rearend how WotC adjudicates it? It really is mostly a non-issue. What is important is for WotC to come up with answers and then FAQ / Errata them so that everyone can clearly understand the intent with these types of rules. Which way they decide? Meh. Don't care. I have my preference, but I won't lose any sleep over it if they decide differently. I'm more concerned about easy and consistent rules. [/QUOTE]

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