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<blockquote data-quote="Andur" data-source="post: 4360005" data-attributes="member: 27898">Just cause:&quot;Attack Power&quot; is a defined thing, it has it's own &quot;entry in the database&quot;.&quot;Attack&quot; is also a defined thing, it too has it's own &quot;entry in the database&quot;.&quot;Attack Roll&quot; is yet another defined thing, it has its own entry in a different database than either of the two above though...Now PHB 54-59 really sum it up nicely.&nbsp; Powers (at the current time) only come in three flavors Attack, Utility, and Magic Item, these are used for determining your &quot;resource pool&quot; for a given day.&nbsp; Now a Power only has a Target: entry if it directly affects one or more creatures or objects.&nbsp; This is important to the whole Divine Challenge and Wall of Fire debate (since Challenge only kicks in if there is an attack which does not include the Pally as a target of the attack).&nbsp; Now IF a power has a Target entry it will also have an Attack entry.&nbsp; This is imho what all other feats, powers, and abilities refer to whan they reference &quot;attack&quot;.&nbsp; Hit is what happens when the attack succeeds, Miss is what happens when the attack does not succeed, if no Miss entry then nothing happens in regards to the Attack.&nbsp; Effect happens regardless of a hit or miss, or even if there is no Attack at all.Now there are no Area: Wall in the entire PHB which have a Target or Attack entry.&nbsp; Storm Cage is close, but it is&nbsp; am Area: Burst which then has an Effect of creating a wall at the edge of the burst...Now is are walls attacks?&nbsp; The are Attack Powers, which use an Area Attack keyword, but has no Targets, no Attack, and no Hit entries.&nbsp; So no they are not attacks, just like Monster Summoning I-IX were not attacks in previous editions.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Andur, post: 4360005, member: 27898"] Just cause: "Attack Power" is a defined thing, it has it's own "entry in the database". "Attack" is also a defined thing, it too has it's own "entry in the database". "Attack Roll" is yet another defined thing, it has its own entry in a different database than either of the two above though... Now PHB 54-59 really sum it up nicely. Powers (at the current time) only come in three flavors Attack, Utility, and Magic Item, these are used for determining your "resource pool" for a given day. Now a Power only has a Target: entry if it directly affects one or more creatures or objects. This is important to the whole Divine Challenge and Wall of Fire debate (since Challenge only kicks in if there is an attack which does not include the Pally as a target of the attack). Now IF a power has a Target entry it will also have an Attack entry. This is imho what all other feats, powers, and abilities refer to whan they reference "attack". Hit is what happens when the attack succeeds, Miss is what happens when the attack does not succeed, if no Miss entry then nothing happens in regards to the Attack. Effect happens regardless of a hit or miss, or even if there is no Attack at all. Now there are no Area: Wall in the entire PHB which have a Target or Attack entry. Storm Cage is close, but it is am Area: Burst which then has an Effect of creating a wall at the edge of the burst... Now is are walls attacks? The are Attack Powers, which use an Area Attack keyword, but has no Targets, no Attack, and no Hit entries. So no they are not attacks, just like Monster Summoning I-IX were not attacks in previous editions. [/QUOTE]

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