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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 8227797" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>I get why you'd think that but that's not the case. My concern is that the idea that some corporate bigwig who will casually order actions that will lead to the deaths or mutilations or worse of dozen or hundreds or thousands of people is somehow going to remain "sane" and able to understand and relate to humans, when some streetpunk who gets all four limbs chopped and replaced will go cyberpsycho seems completely wrong. Especially if said corporate has had similarly severe if more expensive modifications.</p><p></p><p>I don't think you could climb the corporate ladder in Red's world and remain truly human, and I do mean you'd have difficulty understanding people. You'd be so distant from mainstream humanity's experience that you would genuinely have difficulty understanding and relating to people. You'd have to operate by constructing a theory of mind for them and making guesses and assumptions and so on. Corporates would be able to afford psychologists and therapists to help them maintain the illusion, but would be no less distant from humanity (one might compare this to claims that some forms of therapy/treatment can make some psychopaths/sociopaths more dangerous by teaching them how to mask their problems better without actually causing them to behave better).</p><p></p><p>Of course an alternate take would be that cyberpsychosis is an unscientific half-myth developed to serve the corporations and the police, like "excited delirium" or "stockholm syndrome" (indeed the latter is incredibly successful, many people repeat it as if it's fact, rather than a somewhat ridiculous theory concocted specifically to try and cover up an incompetent and risky police action in Stockholm in the 1970s, and which has little or no scientific research to support it, and much to refute it, despite the superficial attractiveness of the theory, and that trauma bonding is real - but different - see <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome#Criticism" target="_blank">here</a>). Hmmm. Actually I think that's probably the way to go. Like maybe have there be some kind of distancing effect cause by cyberware, but actual cyberpsychosis is nonsense, instead we have it being used as an excuse to just kill rather than make any attempt to rehabilitate or capture members of the underclass with significant cyberware (and to avoid looking into whether cyberware malfunctions or incompatibilities actually caused the issue - something mentioned in Cyberpunk 2077, I note), and equally, in an "Affluenza" defense way, used to excuse criminal indiscretions from the ruling class, no matter how extreme or relatively minor their augmentations.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 8227797, member: 18"] I get why you'd think that but that's not the case. My concern is that the idea that some corporate bigwig who will casually order actions that will lead to the deaths or mutilations or worse of dozen or hundreds or thousands of people is somehow going to remain "sane" and able to understand and relate to humans, when some streetpunk who gets all four limbs chopped and replaced will go cyberpsycho seems completely wrong. Especially if said corporate has had similarly severe if more expensive modifications. I don't think you could climb the corporate ladder in Red's world and remain truly human, and I do mean you'd have difficulty understanding people. You'd be so distant from mainstream humanity's experience that you would genuinely have difficulty understanding and relating to people. You'd have to operate by constructing a theory of mind for them and making guesses and assumptions and so on. Corporates would be able to afford psychologists and therapists to help them maintain the illusion, but would be no less distant from humanity (one might compare this to claims that some forms of therapy/treatment can make some psychopaths/sociopaths more dangerous by teaching them how to mask their problems better without actually causing them to behave better). Of course an alternate take would be that cyberpsychosis is an unscientific half-myth developed to serve the corporations and the police, like "excited delirium" or "stockholm syndrome" (indeed the latter is incredibly successful, many people repeat it as if it's fact, rather than a somewhat ridiculous theory concocted specifically to try and cover up an incompetent and risky police action in Stockholm in the 1970s, and which has little or no scientific research to support it, and much to refute it, despite the superficial attractiveness of the theory, and that trauma bonding is real - but different - see [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome#Criticism']here[/URL]). Hmmm. Actually I think that's probably the way to go. Like maybe have there be some kind of distancing effect cause by cyberware, but actual cyberpsychosis is nonsense, instead we have it being used as an excuse to just kill rather than make any attempt to rehabilitate or capture members of the underclass with significant cyberware (and to avoid looking into whether cyberware malfunctions or incompatibilities actually caused the issue - something mentioned in Cyberpunk 2077, I note), and equally, in an "Affluenza" defense way, used to excuse criminal indiscretions from the ruling class, no matter how extreme or relatively minor their augmentations. [/QUOTE]
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