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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Imban" data-source="post: 4541966" data-attributes="member: 29206">So, here's what I mean by not complete.With 3e, when it came out, there were certainly things from 2e not included in the core three 3e books, but there was very to which the designers actively responded "we will be putting this in a later book". If I had to go off the top of my head, I'd really just say psionics and a few prestige classes were like that, not things that were core material in 2e.With 4e, before it came out, we'd been told explicitly that a lot of things core to D&D were being held back - bards and druids until PHB2, frost giants until MM2 - and there are times where the books itself mention that a monster entry is intentionally incomplete, as with archons. (And if anyone doesn't expect archons in every upcoming Monster Manual...)For a non-D&D comparison, M&M is complete in one book. Even though I greatly enjoy the Mastermind's Manual and Ultimate Power, neither of them is essential to play the game or even contains things I consider "core" to the M&M experience, they just make it better. In fact, until I read Ultimate Power I didn't think there was anything in Ultimate Power I was missing.Exalted is very incomplete, with five main character types, and the need for a second book to get more than "BS it" for all but one of them, and the need for four more books to get the actual rules to play the other four as PCs. Oh, and books constantly referring to future publications in the line. (Which often gets funny when things have been changed rules-wise between the first book in which something is mentioned and the actual writeup.)</blockquote>

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