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Message: <blockquote data-quote="I'm A Banana" data-source="post: 4544826" data-attributes="member: 2067">Well, by that I meant turning spells that were pretty much guaranteed spells into shorthand class abilities. So that fireball, rather than take up the space that it did in the 3e PHB, would look something more like this:Fireball (Sp): You fill a 20' radius space with fire, dealing 1d6 fire damage per level (reflex halves). You can do this once per day per 5 levels.Takes up a lot less space, and puts it in a place where every wizard will have it. This is potentially a virtue, not a flaw. A lot of people who played fighters did really prefer to have less complex class abilities, and being able to address a multitude of challenges was the Wizard's goal. This came from balance being about dungeon exploration, and not about being in-combat, though. Plus, in the RAW, Wizards were a bit more limited than that. Divine casters were a bit out of control, but Wizards (and Sorcerers) had to pay a lot of gold for their class powers, if they wanted more than about a dozen spells. Not everyone WANTS powers. I don't. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> I never played a Wizard in 3e because I am turned off by selecting cards to play from my deck like that. I'd rather have a small core of abilities that gets better, and a few new abilities added at significant levels, than some unwieldy pillar of spells.That's not to say that the fighter probably didn't need some lovin' in that respect, and that the wizard could have used a tone-down. Making Rituals universal noncombat "spells" is a very good idea. Giving Fighters "swordball" instead of fireball and "mundane missile" instead of "magic missile" and "crossbow bolt" instead of "lightning bolt" isn't, in my mind, the way to go. It just means that chapter of the 3e PHB that was so intimidating gets quadrupled as we add "new spells" for the other classes, and that diversity gets pushed to the side. That's not really an acceptable sacrifice for a sub-par system, in my mind.</blockquote>

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