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D&D “Essentials” as a product line = making it less daunting to get into the game?
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<blockquote data-quote="Harlekin" data-source="post: 5357098" data-attributes="member: 18615"><p>I believe, this perception is influenced by the fact that you got the original red box when you knew nothing about what else is out there, but today you are comparing the new red box against all possible available material.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I agree that having a sheet that tells you how to build characters without the solo adventure would have been nice, but I don't think building characters with these rules is as arduous as you make it out to be. It's not necessarily something you would do for fun, but it is serviceable. Moreover, the new red box gives you a much larger variability in the characters you can play. </p><p></p><p></p><p>34</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>7, not a whole lot but magic items are less of a focus in the new edition.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>6 pages plus 2 pages describing a world to set the adventures in. It even has suggestions how to reuse the original map to create new layouts.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You can of course do the same thing with this box. If you look on the DDI, there are tens of adventures you can play with this box, as well as the excellent Slaying Stone. And as 4ed adventures are self-contained, you don't even need monsters used in the adventure to be in the box. </p><p></p><p>I'm not saying the new red box is perfect, the rules inconsistencies with the Essentials line is very annoying and the large number of editorial errors makes this less useful to beginners than it could be, but framing a product that by itself allows for tens of hours of replay as a demo is unrealistic. Moreover comparisons with the classical red box generally do not generally account for the fact that the first RPG will always look different; thus they overrate the classic red box.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Harlekin, post: 5357098, member: 18615"] I believe, this perception is influenced by the fact that you got the original red box when you knew nothing about what else is out there, but today you are comparing the new red box against all possible available material. I agree that having a sheet that tells you how to build characters without the solo adventure would have been nice, but I don't think building characters with these rules is as arduous as you make it out to be. It's not necessarily something you would do for fun, but it is serviceable. Moreover, the new red box gives you a much larger variability in the characters you can play. 34 7, not a whole lot but magic items are less of a focus in the new edition. 6 pages plus 2 pages describing a world to set the adventures in. It even has suggestions how to reuse the original map to create new layouts. You can of course do the same thing with this box. If you look on the DDI, there are tens of adventures you can play with this box, as well as the excellent Slaying Stone. And as 4ed adventures are self-contained, you don't even need monsters used in the adventure to be in the box. I'm not saying the new red box is perfect, the rules inconsistencies with the Essentials line is very annoying and the large number of editorial errors makes this less useful to beginners than it could be, but framing a product that by itself allows for tens of hours of replay as a demo is unrealistic. Moreover comparisons with the classical red box generally do not generally account for the fact that the first RPG will always look different; thus they overrate the classic red box. [/QUOTE]
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