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Message: <blockquote data-quote="shilsen" data-source="post: 1547489" data-attributes="member: 198">I agree. Boy, do I agree! Last session, our DM threw an EL8 encounter (including a 7th lvl wizard) at our group of  seven 1st lvl PCs. Actually, make that at four 1 st lvl PCs and then three 1st lvl PCs since the party was split at the time. And it was an ambush where fourteen NPCs teleported into perfect position next to the PCs.Incredibly, the group of four escaped and in the group of three only 1 PC was killed. That's good, right? Not really, since that meant five players twiddled their thumbs while the Wiz7 spoke to the conscious captured PC (one was unconscous throughout and could take no part) for a long while. And then the captured PCs were rescued not by the PCs who escaped, but by two higher-lvl NPCs who also teleported in and did the needful. I would actually have preferred a TPK  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f621.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":mad:" title="Mad    :mad:"  data-smilie="4"data-shortname=":mad:" /></blockquote>