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<blockquote data-quote="OB1" data-source="post: 9422854" data-attributes="member: 6796241">I haven't seen anyone say that the general order of play has been changed from the 2014 PHB, or that specific rules beat general rules, and if those were changed than I might have to start agreeing with those who say this is an edition change <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />General Order of PlayDM describes the scene.Players describe their actions.DM narrates the results of thos actions, asking for an ability check if the outcome is uncertain.Once combat begins, there are specific rules to help resolve it, that have codified results.&nbsp; You can also try any action not listed as one of those rules, but the the DM adjucates the results as if outside of combat per the general order of play.&nbsp; That is how DMs resolved trying to Intimidate or Search for something in the 2014 version of the rules.&nbsp; The difference in 2024 is only that the list of actions in combat has been expanded to include some other things, so that there is more certainty about what the action economy is to do those things.&nbsp; There will still be other actions that the players might want to take in combat that will be adjucated by the DM using the general rule.If the in combat actions were meant to be used anywhere, why put them specifically in the combat section instead of a general 'what pcs can do' section?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="OB1, post: 9422854, member: 6796241"] I haven't seen anyone say that the general order of play has been changed from the 2014 PHB, or that specific rules beat general rules, and if those were changed than I might have to start agreeing with those who say this is an edition change :) General Order of Play DM describes the scene. Players describe their actions. DM narrates the results of thos actions, asking for an ability check if the outcome is uncertain. Once combat begins, there are specific rules to help resolve it, that have codified results. You can also try any action not listed as one of those rules, but the the DM adjucates the results as if outside of combat per the general order of play. That is how DMs resolved trying to Intimidate or Search for something in the 2014 version of the rules. The difference in 2024 is only that the list of actions in combat has been expanded to include some other things, so that there is more certainty about what the action economy is to do those things. There will still be other actions that the players might want to take in combat that will be adjucated by the DM using the general rule. If the in combat actions were meant to be used anywhere, why put them specifically in the combat section instead of a general 'what pcs can do' section? [/QUOTE]

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