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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 9440797" data-attributes="member: 7030563">That is what I am talking about, and it IS different from the playtest when it still used the 2014 feat.For the most part the classes are similar to latest versions as presented in the playtest.There are a lot of spell changes though, and that is my point.  People claiming "the playtest is just like 2024" are wrong.  The playtest was a lot different, the many spell changes, including some that were changed in the playtest and then changed again are different than what we were playing with during the playtest.This is just not true.  The new rules are quite different and grappling movement has been all over the place.First in the 2014 rules your speed was halved when the creature was less than 2 sizes smaller.  This is not covered in the grappled condition, it is in the combat section, but it is relatively simple.  Note no exception to movement penalty for tiny creatures.Second the grappled condition as presented in playtest 1 caused the slowed condition on the grappler unless the grappled creature was 2 sizes smaller or tiny.  This meant grapplers were attacked with advantage during the playtest and had disadvantage on dexterity saves (at least the early playtest) in addition to having their speed halved.  Key for this discussion in the playtest - your speed is halved.In the 2024 grappled condition there is no change to speed when grappling.  Your speed stays the same but one foot of movement requires 2 feet movement for the grappler (and ironically means the 2024 grappler feat does not really do anything regarding movement if the reported feat wording is accurate).  There is no penalty for moving tiny creatures regardless of size of the grappler.Yes, I will readily admit if you are still playing with 2014 or choose to ignore the new rules then the new rules are not new for you.No but using it did because Quicken spell, used during the playtest was subcject to the 2014 bonus action rule and now it isn't.Yes it did.  The final version allows you to ignore the ammunition property, which is in play actually a bigger deal than ignoring the loading porperty.Debated by who?Yes they have.   They are completely different.  Not a single one is the same.1. Every single background that was in Playtest 1 and that is also in the PHB is different in the PHB2. Some didn't make it to the PHB at all.3. There were no feats at all as part of the playtest backgrounds4. The "Build your own background" is not included in the PHBIt may be an error but right now it is a change.  Also that is not the only change to the condition, the new version of stun does not alter your ability to speak either.  I mean they could have kept it the same and didn't, which to me implies it is intentional.If you don't use the new rules, then there are not many changes for you.  But if you do use the new rules, then yes there are a lot of changes</blockquote>

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