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Message: <blockquote data-quote="FrogReaver" data-source="post: 9440921" data-attributes="member: 6795602">Indeed.  I actually assumed 'the playtest' was some weird amalgamation of all the playtests where literally someone could point to a change being in one of them and proclaim the change was in 'the playtest'.  I was glad that wasn't the case.It baffles my mind that we know they've added alot of fiddly bits compared to 2014.  Lots of attacks using different mods for example.  Lots of spell nuances to relearn for casters.  We know there will be a learning curve compared to where people are today with 2014 today.  I'm confident saying that on average 2024 out the gate will be slower than 2014 now (but maybe not for every table and maybe not enough to notice for many others, but on average it will be slower than current 2014 now).  I'm confident that 2024 will require a bit more mental load even after the rules are committed to memory, there's just more turn by turn options for more classes, especially for martials.  Will things still be slower?  Probably not most the time at most tables once the ins and outs have been learned, but it certainly won't speed things up compared to 2014 now, and there will be situations where where the player will really want to carefully consider his expanded list of options.  There will be times when the player rolls the wrong damage dice when changing weapons or adds the wrong mod, etc, and those mistakes will occur more often, and will require some time to fix.But here's the thing, unless combat length consistently doubles or nearly so, then no one is going to notice.  So yea, I think objectively it will be longer.  Some tables will experience the doubling in the learning curve period, most probably won't.  But after that's out of the way it might be 5% or maybe 10% slower on average, and most tables won't notice that at all.Maybe this will clear it up - i didn't really care for that area of discussion.  I gave my 2 cents earlier about how number of rounds won't be significantly decreased and moved on.  But I was interested in discussing the magnitude of 2024 changes on it's own merits.  When the posts I was responding to were about 2024 changes with no mention of combat speed, and my replies were about those with no mention of combat speed, I don't really think the 'context of combat length' mattered anymore.  I assumed it was a new tangential conversation.  I think anyone still thinking it was about combat length at that point was the one misunderstanding.  Anyways, now you have my thoughts on combat length.</blockquote>

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