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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 9469720" data-attributes="member: 6801228">What do you mean it isn't that kind of question? It absolutely IS that type of question. Oaths are incredibly malleable. The 2024 rules (the ones at issue) use the phrasing &quot;These paladins share the following tenets&quot; for the subclasses. But that isn't an oath, those are pieces of an oath. And even then, they are the most broad versions of those things possible. In fact, if you pay attention... they tend to even overlap an awful lot.<table style='width: 100%'><tr><th></th><th>Devotion</th><th>Glory</th><th>Vengeance</th><th>Ancients</th></tr><tr><td></td><td>Let your word be your promise</td><td>Endeavor to be known by your deeds.</td><td>Show the wicked no mercy.</td><td> 
Shelter life</td></tr><tr><td></td><td>Protect the weak and never fear to act.</td><td>Face hardships with courage</td><td>Fight injustice and its causes.</td><td>Kindle the light of hope.</td></tr><tr><td></td><td>Let your honorable deeds be an example.</td><td>Inspire others to strive for glory.</td><td>Aid those harmed by injustice</td><td>Delight in art and laughter</td></tr></table>&quot;Let your Honorable Deeds be an Example&quot;, &quot;Inspire others to strive for Glory&quot; and &quot;Kindle the Light of Hope&quot; are all basically the same thing at their core. &quot;&quot;Protect the Weak and never fear to act&quot; &quot;Face Hardships with Courage&quot; and &quot;Kindle the light of hope&quot; are also incredibly similar. Meanwhile, look at the literary oath supposedly taken by King Arthur's Knights, which is not only significantly longer.... but has specifics, both penalties and charges: The king established all his knights, and bestowed on them riches and lands. He charged them never to commit outrage or murder, always to flee treason, and to give mercy to those who asked for mercy, upon pain of the forfeiture of their honor and status as a knight of King Arthur's forever more. He charged them always to help ladies, damsels, gentlewomen, and widows, and never to commit rape, upon pain of death. Also, he commanded that no man should take up a battle in a wrongful quarrel—not for love, nor for any worldly goods. So all the knights of the Round Table, both young and old, swore to uphold this oath, and every year at the high feast of Pentecost they renewed their oath.The Oaths in the PHB are not full oaths... they are an outline sketch.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 9469720, member: 6801228"] What do you mean it isn't that kind of question? It absolutely IS that type of question. Oaths are incredibly malleable. The 2024 rules (the ones at issue) use the phrasing "These paladins share the following tenets" for the subclasses. But that isn't an oath, those are pieces of an oath. And even then, they are the most broad versions of those things possible. In fact, if you pay attention... they tend to even overlap an awful lot. [TABLE] [TR] [TH][/TH] [TH]Devotion[/TH] [TH]Glory[/TH] [TH]Vengeance[/TH] [TH]Ancients[/TH] [/TR] [TR] [TD][/TD] [TD]Let your word be your promise[/TD] [TD]Endeavor to be known by your deeds.[/TD] [TD]Show the wicked no mercy.[/TD] [TD] Shelter life[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][/TD] [TD]Protect the weak and never fear to act.[/TD] [TD]Face hardships with courage[/TD] [TD]Fight injustice and its causes.[/TD] [TD]Kindle the light of hope.[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][/TD] [TD]Let your honorable deeds be an example.[/TD] [TD]Inspire others to strive for glory.[/TD] [TD]Aid those harmed by injustice[/TD] [TD]Delight in art and laughter[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] "Let your Honorable Deeds be an Example", "Inspire others to strive for Glory" and "Kindle the Light of Hope" are all basically the same thing at their core. ""Protect the Weak and never fear to act" "Face Hardships with Courage" and "Kindle the light of hope" are also incredibly similar. Meanwhile, look at the literary oath supposedly taken by King Arthur's Knights, which is not only significantly longer.... but has specifics, both penalties and charges: [I]The king established all his knights, and bestowed on them riches and lands. He charged them never to commit outrage or murder, always to flee treason, and to give mercy to those who asked for mercy, upon pain of the forfeiture of their honor and status as a knight of King Arthur's forever more. He charged them always to help ladies, damsels, gentlewomen, and widows, and never to commit rape, upon pain of death. Also, he commanded that no man should take up a battle in a wrongful quarrel—not for love, nor for any worldly goods. So all the knights of the Round Table, both young and old, swore to uphold this oath, and every year at the high feast of Pentecost they renewed their oath.[/I] The Oaths in the PHB are not full oaths... they are an outline sketch. [/QUOTE]

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