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<blockquote data-quote="Mecheon" data-source="post: 9470305" data-attributes="member: 6801776"><p>Firbolg aren't in the PHB?</p><p></p><p>That's basically my argument. Half elves conflict too much on the elf design space so they're best left for other books. Just like Firbolgs are in another book, that's where Half Elves should be</p><p></p><p></p><p>Angels and giants aren't playable. Elves are. Aasimar adiditonally function as anti-tieflings which, y'know. Kinda popular</p><p></p><p>That's the long and short of it. As long as elves and humans are playable (which, they both are), half elves feel incredibly unnecessary as a base race. They're not as bad as like, Aquatic Elf That Turns Into Otters As Distinct from Dolphins, but they're a variant on elves at their heart, and as long as elves are playable? They're going to seem "Why is this a distinct option?", especially when the other options are as varied as dwarves, orcs and dragonborn</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Githyanki are more popular than ever due to BG3, yet they're not in the PHB and I don't see anyone arguing for it</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>They did, but the layout they have means you get +2, +1, +1, which is a dang useful spread. In addition their overall abilities tend to function well with everything</p><p></p><p>They're the second most powerful base race in 5E, only behind Variant Human due to the feat. This isn't just me saying it, this is a widespread thing among the community who do character builds.</p><p></p><p></p><p>The only edition they haven't been watere down elves in is 4E, where they got the diplomacy thing.</p><p></p><p>AD&D has the 30% charm resist (down from 90% charm) and the concealed door thing that elves had, with looser class restrictions (though not as loose as human)</p><p>3E's are so close the SRD includes Half Elf under Elf. They have the immune to Sleep spells, +2 bonus against enchantments, a weakened version of the Listen/Search/Spot bonus (that doesn't let them see secret doors this time around), Low Light vision, and the "For effects related to race, a half elf is considered an elf" part</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mecheon, post: 9470305, member: 6801776"] Firbolg aren't in the PHB? That's basically my argument. Half elves conflict too much on the elf design space so they're best left for other books. Just like Firbolgs are in another book, that's where Half Elves should be Angels and giants aren't playable. Elves are. Aasimar adiditonally function as anti-tieflings which, y'know. Kinda popular That's the long and short of it. As long as elves and humans are playable (which, they both are), half elves feel incredibly unnecessary as a base race. They're not as bad as like, Aquatic Elf That Turns Into Otters As Distinct from Dolphins, but they're a variant on elves at their heart, and as long as elves are playable? They're going to seem "Why is this a distinct option?", especially when the other options are as varied as dwarves, orcs and dragonborn Githyanki are more popular than ever due to BG3, yet they're not in the PHB and I don't see anyone arguing for it They did, but the layout they have means you get +2, +1, +1, which is a dang useful spread. In addition their overall abilities tend to function well with everything They're the second most powerful base race in 5E, only behind Variant Human due to the feat. This isn't just me saying it, this is a widespread thing among the community who do character builds. The only edition they haven't been watere down elves in is 4E, where they got the diplomacy thing. AD&D has the 30% charm resist (down from 90% charm) and the concealed door thing that elves had, with looser class restrictions (though not as loose as human) 3E's are so close the SRD includes Half Elf under Elf. They have the immune to Sleep spells, +2 bonus against enchantments, a weakened version of the Listen/Search/Spot bonus (that doesn't let them see secret doors this time around), Low Light vision, and the "For effects related to race, a half elf is considered an elf" part [/QUOTE]
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