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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 9471164" data-attributes="member: 6801228">You keep mentioning the Barbarian, but since you keep using it as an example that supports you, you don't seem to understand how Barbarians work. Yes, Barbarians get Rage at level 1... which Rage? Is it just pure Rage with no additional flavor, like a battle frenzy? Is it a pure rage that utilizes training with special armor?Is it a primal rage that calls on animal spirits? Is it a primal Rage that calls on Elemental powers? Is it a Magical rage that calls on wild magic? Is it a Primal rage that calls on the Beast within?Is it a Spiritual rage which calls on the might of their ancestors? Is it a Divine Rage that is fueled by the Gods? Is it an Elemental Rage that calls upon the Might of Giants? Is it a Multiversal Rage calling on the power of a Mutliversal tree? Is it a Magical Rage that calls on the Power of Blood? Is it a Magical Rage that calls on Witch Magic and Spirits? Every single one of these is an actual 5e Barbarian subclass, and they change the type of character and flavor of the Barbarian just as much as a Warlock patron does. A Barbarian who has a soul that burns with the power of the elemental plane of fire has a very different story than one who calls upon the spirits of their ancestors to fight beside them, is very different than one that connects to the Spirit of the Wolf. And yet. Somehow! We've never had anyone propose this is a problem... until I point this out in this thread. Because somehow we figure that people can make coherent characters and character decisions in this case, but that they can't with Paladins and Warlocks.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 9471164, member: 6801228"] You keep mentioning the Barbarian, but since you keep using it as an example that supports you, you don't seem to understand how Barbarians work. Yes, Barbarians get Rage at level 1... which Rage? Is it just pure Rage with no additional flavor, like a battle frenzy? Is it a pure rage that utilizes training with special armor? Is it a primal rage that calls on animal spirits? Is it a primal Rage that calls on Elemental powers? Is it a Magical rage that calls on wild magic? Is it a Primal rage that calls on the Beast within? Is it a Spiritual rage which calls on the might of their ancestors? Is it a Divine Rage that is fueled by the Gods? Is it an Elemental Rage that calls upon the Might of Giants? Is it a Multiversal Rage calling on the power of a Mutliversal tree? Is it a Magical Rage that calls on the Power of Blood? Is it a Magical Rage that calls on Witch Magic and Spirits? Every single one of these is an actual 5e Barbarian subclass, and they change the type of character and flavor of the Barbarian just as much as a Warlock patron does. A Barbarian who has a soul that burns with the power of the elemental plane of fire has a very different story than one who calls upon the spirits of their ancestors to fight beside them, is very different than one that connects to the Spirit of the Wolf. And yet. Somehow! We've never had anyone propose this is a problem... until I point this out in this thread. Because somehow we figure that people can make coherent characters and character decisions in this case, but that they can't with Paladins and Warlocks. [/QUOTE]

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