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<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 9476188" data-attributes="member: 42582">So in a RPG, if things have got to this point, something has gone terribly wrong: the participants can't agree on some basic elements of the ostensibly shared fiction.Vincent Baker explored a scenario a bit like this in his discussion of &quot;the smelly chamberlain&quot;: <a href="https://lumpley.com/index.php/anyway/thread/460" target="_blank">https://lumpley.com/index.php/anyway/thread/460</a>I think it is more helpful to speak in terms of what the GM (or anyone else at the table) is trying to do with their authority. So I would put it this way: the GM can only contribute to the shared fiction if the people with whom he's hoping to share that fiction accept his proposals and incorporate them into the shared fiction.If they don't do that, there is no shared fiction that includes the GM's proposal, and the GM protesting abstractly about &quot;their authority&quot; won't change that basic state of affairs.Agreed. I find the widespread expectation that players should share crappy fiction put forward by their GMs one of the weirder features of the RPG hobby.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 9476188, member: 42582"] So in a RPG, if things have got to this point, something has gone terribly wrong: the participants can't agree on some basic elements of the ostensibly shared fiction. Vincent Baker explored a scenario a bit like this in his discussion of "the smelly chamberlain": [URL]https://lumpley.com/index.php/anyway/thread/460[/URL] I think it is more helpful to speak in terms of [I]what the GM[/I] (or anyone else at the table) [I]is trying to do with their authority[/I]. So I would put it this way: the GM can only contribute to the shared fiction if the people with whom he's hoping to share that fiction accept his proposals and incorporate them into the shared fiction. If they don't do that, there is no shared fiction that includes the GM's proposal, and the GM protesting abstractly about "their authority" won't change that basic state of affairs. Agreed. I find the widespread expectation that players should share crappy fiction put forward by their GMs one of the weirder features of the RPG hobby. [/QUOTE]

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