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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 9492698" data-attributes="member: 18">I tend to agree but horrible-ness is cultural and where you find one horrible person, you often find others near them.Like, I've worked at a few places, two for a really long time, and in neither of those two places were "horrible" people at all common. In fact, they were the wild exception. People can be weird, or difficult, or angry, but there's usually a reason that's not just being a twonk. Hell some people others thought were pretty bad I just had no issue dealing with (I think being raised in a family full of well-educated and argumentative but good-natured pedants prepared me well for the legal sphere!).However, I also worked at a place before that, as an intern, for most of a year (they had a lot for me to do), where I would say at least 30% of the male employees roughly fit into the "horrible person" mould. Like, creeps, freaks, loads of sexual harassment guys (indeed a culture of sexual harassment), loads of drunks, lazy people who blamed others for not doing their work, etc. Basically imagine the worst possible intersection of Mad Men and the UK version of The Office, at the height of the dot com bubble. There were still some genuinely nice men there, and none of the women were bad at all, but bloody hell some of the other men. Quite apart from their obsession with looking at porn at work (in a very mixed workplace, which was open-plan, note!), they'd often get drunk at lunchtime and just not come back or come back like 4 hours late, and they could barely handle a conversation with a woman without engaging in sexual harassment of a kind you'd get fired for today. The capstone moment was walking into the server room to find the hardware guy literally sitting in there in his y-fronts (tighty-whities I think you'd say in the US), all the lights off, with several monitors, at least two of which had what appeared to have porn on, and him acting like being in his underwear was normal. It was like a scene from some kind of edgy sitcom! I told my boss and he was just like "Oh well, he's just like that, nothing we can do! He's really good at his job!".You see the same thing with TT RPGs - if one person in a group is a creep, probably most/all of that group are creeps.</blockquote>

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