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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 9436790" data-attributes="member: 6801228"><p>What do you mean by "weapon toggled worked"? If you mean the ability to sheath and draw multiple weapons, allowing for weapon "juggling" there is a third option. They considered the complaints overblown. I do keep seeing people saying "I could run in, draw my greatsword, attack, throw it on the ground, draw my spear, attack, throw it on the ground, draw my Halberd..." But just because people say it doesn't mean it is going to happen at the table. My biggest complaint with it is that it looks silly, not that it is notably powerful in any way, nor that it isn't really trivial to "counter"</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Sure, no one likes broken exploits.... but that requires them to be exploits, broken, or the intended outcome of the rules. I've used some of your content, there are things I've seen in it that I've gone "oof, really?" and looked and found... completely intentional. </p><p></p><p>So can we separate those things?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I was thinking of Earthbind and Web. And yes, this doesn't have a saving throw... because it is an attack roll. And, again, in 85% of use cases, it won't be used on a creature with legendary resistances. It will be used on non-legendary creatures. And a reduction in speed is only going to shut down enemies that cannot respond at range. Look at the legendary Green Dragon, it may be unable to make melee attacks if you reduce its speed to zero, but it certainly isn't "shut down" in a meaningful way by forcing it to rely on spells and ranged attacks. </p><p></p><p>So as long as all the legendary creatures have strong ranged options.... is this still a bad thing to rely on their AC instead of legendary resistance? Does the giant insect even have a high attack bonus?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Grapple is a save for PCs making a grapple attempt. I bet some monsters still grapple on a hit, and giant spiders are monsters.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 9436790, member: 6801228"] What do you mean by "weapon toggled worked"? If you mean the ability to sheath and draw multiple weapons, allowing for weapon "juggling" there is a third option. They considered the complaints overblown. I do keep seeing people saying "I could run in, draw my greatsword, attack, throw it on the ground, draw my spear, attack, throw it on the ground, draw my Halberd..." But just because people say it doesn't mean it is going to happen at the table. My biggest complaint with it is that it looks silly, not that it is notably powerful in any way, nor that it isn't really trivial to "counter" Sure, no one likes broken exploits.... but that requires them to be exploits, broken, or the intended outcome of the rules. I've used some of your content, there are things I've seen in it that I've gone "oof, really?" and looked and found... completely intentional. So can we separate those things? I was thinking of Earthbind and Web. And yes, this doesn't have a saving throw... because it is an attack roll. And, again, in 85% of use cases, it won't be used on a creature with legendary resistances. It will be used on non-legendary creatures. And a reduction in speed is only going to shut down enemies that cannot respond at range. Look at the legendary Green Dragon, it may be unable to make melee attacks if you reduce its speed to zero, but it certainly isn't "shut down" in a meaningful way by forcing it to rely on spells and ranged attacks. So as long as all the legendary creatures have strong ranged options.... is this still a bad thing to rely on their AC instead of legendary resistance? Does the giant insect even have a high attack bonus? Grapple is a save for PCs making a grapple attempt. I bet some monsters still grapple on a hit, and giant spiders are monsters. [/QUOTE]
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