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<blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 9438041" data-attributes="member: 7030563"><p>After careful consideration I have come to the determination that dragging a grappled creature while mounted on a horse is NOT supported in 5E RAW. Two parts of the PHB bring me to this conclusion.</p><p></p><p>First the description of moving a grappled creature:</p><p></p><p><em>"Moving a Grappled Creature. <strong><u>When you move</u></strong>, you can drag or carry the grappled creature with you, but your speed is halved, unless the creature is two or more sizes smaller than you."</em></p><p></p><p>It says nothing in there about something else moving you. You are not the one moving when your horse trots around the spikes, your horse is.</p><p></p><p>Second from the grappled condition:</p><p></p><p><em>"The condition also ends if an effect removes the grappled creature from the reach of the grappler or grappling effect, such as when a creature is hurled away by the thunderwave spell."</em></p><p></p><p>Based on this your horse moving (with you on it) actually breaks the grapple. It does not cause the creature to be dragged with you. You leave the creature behind as you are moved away and out of reach oof the creature you are grappling .... just like if your horse cast Thunderwave on you to get you off his back.</p><p></p><p>As a result whether or not it makes sense IRL, or RAI. 5E RAW your horse can not be used to move a creature you grappled.</p><p></p><p>A Horse that is not a controlled mount can attempt to grapple an enemy himself and drag said enemy through the spikes (at half speed). Presumably you would need some sort of mind control or way to communicate to get him to do this (like a Paladin's steed).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ECMO3, post: 9438041, member: 7030563"] After careful consideration I have come to the determination that dragging a grappled creature while mounted on a horse is NOT supported in 5E RAW. Two parts of the PHB bring me to this conclusion. First the description of moving a grappled creature: [I]"Moving a Grappled Creature. [B][U]When you move[/U][/B], you can drag or carry the grappled creature with you, but your speed is halved, unless the creature is two or more sizes smaller than you."[/I] It says nothing in there about something else moving you. You are not the one moving when your horse trots around the spikes, your horse is. Second from the grappled condition: [I]"The condition also ends if an effect removes the grappled creature from the reach of the grappler or grappling effect, such as when a creature is hurled away by the thunderwave spell."[/I] Based on this your horse moving (with you on it) actually breaks the grapple. It does not cause the creature to be dragged with you. You leave the creature behind as you are moved away and out of reach oof the creature you are grappling .... just like if your horse cast Thunderwave on you to get you off his back. As a result whether or not it makes sense IRL, or RAI. 5E RAW your horse can not be used to move a creature you grappled. A Horse that is not a controlled mount can attempt to grapple an enemy himself and drag said enemy through the spikes (at half speed). Presumably you would need some sort of mind control or way to communicate to get him to do this (like a Paladin's steed). [/QUOTE]
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