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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 9439348" data-attributes="member: 7030563">I get that most tables go 1 to 10, but I play regular games that go to 20 and have for the last 2+ years.So sure if you want to say this is no problem under level 10 I would agree with you.  I still prefer Tasha's version, but the new one is fine.  But that is fundamentally different than saying the class is fine overall.We do know it is a problem when the best Ranger spells use concentration and the Ranger by definition is a caster.Since they have hunters mark features they have class features they won't be able to make use of.Not true.Primal Awareness IS A THINGFavored Foe IS A THINGVanish IS A THINGNature's Veil coming later IS A THING for any character between levels 10 and 13 IS A THINGThis is objectively NOT true.What do you mean you don't count it as conflicting?  If I am attacking someone I can cast Hunter's Mark on him or I can ?use Misty Step to get to him ... or I can use NAture's Viel to go invisible ... or I can use Two wepaon fighting and attack him.This is a direct conflict.You know what else conflicts - If I have a Fey I am concentrating on running around doing things.Not 6 actually.  I hit 5 all day when I was not concentrating on a spell.  I hit I hit him three times the first round and twice the next round using 4 uses of Favored Foe.  I had 2 uses left when we finished for a short rest.Keep in mind concentration prevents you from using favored foe or Hunters Mark.   If you are a character that is going to be casting concentration spells (as the Fey Wanderer  is designed to do) you are not going to be able to add either of these a lot and that means at high level the uses of favored foe you have will be PLENTY.  I never ran out of favored foe after 8th level.  Never.Facts are facts.For any Rangers who don't want to "hit it with a stick"Like I said Hunter's Mark is not a powerful spell and even with the Hunter's Mark buffs most PCs will be more powerful at high level if they use their concentration on something else.At medium to high levels they do find them concentrating on other things A LOT.Actually they did when they made Tasha's rules and that is what enabled those characters and made Ranger one of my favorite classes to play.I will also add that Druidic warrior is specifically in there to support a Wisdom first ranger and that Ranger is not going to benefit a lot from Hunter's Mark.Ok your math is all screwed up.  At 20th level Hunter's Mark is a D10 not a d6 on the 2024 RangerAnd the point is the Wisdom stacks with Hunters Mark, so with the old foe slayer a PC could get 5 Wisdom + 3.5 Hunters Mark if he had concentration available.The new Ranger gets 5.5 Hunter's mark only.  3 points less.That is of course if the character does not need to use concentration for a better spell, which he usually will at this level unelss he is out of spells.  If using concentration for something else it is 5 points less.At high level few Rangers make lots of attacks while they are not concentrating on a good spell.Even for Rangers that want to "hit it with a stick" you can find dozens of posts about the Swift Quiver builds.How much high level play have you done as a Ranger?Few people are using HM at high level.  A lot are attacking, but they are concentrating on something else typically.  Not always but typically.No Favored foe, Primal Awareness and Nature's Viel were all lost before 13th levelI don't think the new Ranger gets precise Hunter at 15th level.    Maybe I am wrong, but I think PH is at 17th level .... and no they did not lose anything at 17th level, but they did lose Vanish at 14th.I could be wrong because I don't have a copy of the book, but that is my understanding.This is just objectively false.The Ranger lost Primal Awareness spellsThe Ranger lost VanishI don't mind a debate but stop lying.Just not for the playstyle encouraged by Druidic Warrior and Fey Wanderer subclass.</blockquote>

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