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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 9442250" data-attributes="member: 6801228"><p>The classes were improved. If you insist on using unimproved classes because of whatever specific reasoning you have, you don't get to complain that the improved versions are better.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And they can! You can absolutely play a 2014 Monk next to a 2024 Monk. If that makes you feel bad because you chose to use that option, that doesn't mean that the 2024 Monk shouldn't exist. Because for us monk fans the 2024 Monk is a breath of fresh air after how utterly terrible the old monk was. </p><p></p><p>WoTC didn't offer backwards compatibility because everything was equally balanced between the old versions and the new versions. They offered it because they knew people would not want to change. </p><p></p><p>It isn't power creep that the Monk with better rules and implementation is better than the monk without, that is just change. The difference is "is the gap between the lowest performing classes and the highest performing classes bigger or smaller" and since the "weakest" 2024 class is the rogue, which is much improved from the 2014 version, and the strongest wizard exploits are either the same or curtailed.... there really isn't a strong case for any power creep.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 9442250, member: 6801228"] The classes were improved. If you insist on using unimproved classes because of whatever specific reasoning you have, you don't get to complain that the improved versions are better. And they can! You can absolutely play a 2014 Monk next to a 2024 Monk. If that makes you feel bad because you chose to use that option, that doesn't mean that the 2024 Monk shouldn't exist. Because for us monk fans the 2024 Monk is a breath of fresh air after how utterly terrible the old monk was. WoTC didn't offer backwards compatibility because everything was equally balanced between the old versions and the new versions. They offered it because they knew people would not want to change. It isn't power creep that the Monk with better rules and implementation is better than the monk without, that is just change. The difference is "is the gap between the lowest performing classes and the highest performing classes bigger or smaller" and since the "weakest" 2024 class is the rogue, which is much improved from the 2014 version, and the strongest wizard exploits are either the same or curtailed.... there really isn't a strong case for any power creep. [/QUOTE]
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